Geraldine Ferraro Flips Out

Man, does Geraldine Ferraro ever play the 'they' card in her recent column. I had to keep revisiting up page to remind me of just who she is talking about. Like here...

Whom he chooses for his vice president makes no difference to them. That he is pro-choice means little. Learning more about his bio doesn't do it. They don't identify with someone who has gone to Columbia and Harvard Law School and is married to a Princeton-Harvard Law graduate. His experience with an educated single mother and being raised by middle class grandparents is not something they can empathize with. They may lack a formal higher education, but they're not stupid. What they're waiting for is assurance that an Obama administration won't leave them behind.

I had to go back to the previous, long paragraph that began with 'Reagan Democrats,' and even then I had to infer from a Riverdance of choreographed foot-stomping 'they's that she seemed to be talking about white people.  Then, in the penultimate para ---

What they're waiting for is assurance that an Obama administration won't leave them behind.

Again, the 'they' [okay, you can use "those people" but only on whites, you hear?] has drifted from its stereotypical moorings so far it scarcely resembles caucasians. Are South Carolina's white Democrats really fearful of being left behind? And if they are, what do they expect a black president to do for them?

Ferraro's indistinct stance is overcreamed coffee. I'll take my Geraldine black, please, in the form of Flip Wilson.

To her circle of lady friends on the occasion of Geraldine's having had her hair bleached blonde ---

"How do ya'll like my hair, Honey? You don't think it makes me look too Polish, do you?"

Stowing Senatorial Baggage

Steward : Should I put the bag in the overhead?
Assistant: No, wait until her Thorazine kicks in.

Obama/Hillary too much too soon?

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The lesson is: Only one 'ism' per ticket;
Don't burden the voters with such.
And what's come down as Enlightened Society?
A trillion bucks later... not much.

Push 'em back, push 'em back, waaay back!

How do you like the new meme?

It' nicely counters the one that started in the late seventies when AT&T encouraged customers to "Reach out and touch someone," ie, run up that phone bill. Reaching out was the treacly substitute for "Hey, you."

And after you'd reached out what then? Well, the next meme in line: you shared.

BusinessSpeak of the eighties showed up in meetings that began not with "I have something to tell you," but with, "I have something to share with you."

Very soon, All I Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten became a bestseller. The toddlerization of American was getting blatant. Who would save us?

The terrible twos, it turns out. We've been in pushback mode for about a year now, and it's leaking out of the media diaper. But I don't care. Pushback conjures "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore." In the face of creeping dhimmitude, enough with reaching out and sharing ... the other kid has no intention of reciprocating.

What comes after pushback?

George W Bush -- Loyal or Naive?

George W Bush -- Loyal or Naive?

"It's hard to say, really..." -- Colin Powell
"I can't fault the man's loya..." -- Donald Rumsfeld
"Well, he's certainly not into nepotism." -- Harriet Myers
"When he's bought, he stays bought." -- Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah
"I admire his loyalty to Latinos." -- Attorney General Gonzales
"We do, too." -- Illegal immigrant hordes

Heh

Think about it.

Stand up, stand up...dammit!

NEW YORK (AP) -ABC, CBS and NBC will air a simultaneous one-hour fundraiser for cancer research ["Stand up to cancer"] in prime-time on Sept. 5. The three network evening news anchors—Katie Couric, Charles Gibson and Brian Williams—were to announce the plans on the network morning news shows Wednesday, but word slipped out earlier.

*Stand up, stand up to cancer


Stand up, stand up to cancer,
You anchors Big Three, now
Pandering for ratings
Since Fox has cleaned your plow.

Divert from orphaned maladies
That need the funding more;
Stand up, stand up to cancer,
You fading di-no-saurs.


*To the tune of "Stand up for Jesus," the hymn written by Rev­er­end Dud­ley Tyng just before he perished in a tragic incident of mule-fondling.

Miss Daisy Muses

From ABC News on Hill'ry's RFK gaffe... That said, history is history, and Sen. Clinton has been rather clumsily using it to justify her continued candidacy, a candidacy that should be able to rise or fall on its own merits.

"It's sort of like show and tell," Daisy said dreamily as the sagging shade rode the langorous, torpid breeze slowly back and forth across the dusty window sill.

"How's that?" dawdled Leroy feigning interest, his dwindling attention mostly spent on the physics of droplet condensation and the slow march of bulbous liquid down the side of his mint julep glass, although Leroy's intellectual budget allowed for nothing beyond cursory perception, a mayfly held above the puddle by surface tension and light weight.

"Well," continued Daisy, pleased to capture a slow-footed nuance and bear it home aloft in triumph, "Clinton doesn't do a very good job in front of the class with history and Obama has a hard time with geography, and Bush just murders English."

"But all these people have fancy college degrees, Daisy? How can that be?"

"I don't know, Leroy; it just passes me by. When we do get a smart one like, oh, I don't know, Woodrow Wilson, he thinks he can save the world. GIve me the dumb and the uninvolved any day: Harding, Coolidge, and prosperity. It's amazing how sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."

"Damn, Daisy. That's a great idea for a movie," Leroy allowed.

Don't bogart that geishe, give her to me

Speaking of Wright/Obama and McCain/Hagee...

I love symmetrical politcal scandals. One side decries the other's zits while troweling Clearasil on its own lumpy face ... it illustrates how humans are not only related to apes, but fling poo with the best of them.

And the press ... how better to see how punditry manipulates facts on the ground to turn what should be a chance to stand on principle of some sort into a mass sashay of denial and self delusion.

It's kabuki.

It's Just Medicine

New York Times

Virginia law also made it a crime for doctors to perform the prohibited procedure [partial birth abortion] by mistake.

"Alright, Jennifer, push down. Push!"
"Arrrgggh. Ummph. Ooooo."
"Good, that's good. Keep pu.... I see the top of his head!"
"Unhhh. Huugggmmm.... woo woo woo..."
"Okay, Jennifer, I pulling him.... oh my god! I mistakenly cut the baby into three pieces. How could that have happened?"
"Mmmphhhh?"
"I gotta quit sharpening these forceps..."

Get it while they last

Below you'll find some articles written a decade ago and posted to GeoCities. Awarded Rush Limbaugh's Website of the Month award, Clinton Theatre now languishes in the backwaters of history, soon to be joined by the Toons themselves, one hopes. You can see the originals there in situ before they are taken down or read the reprises below.

White House Switchboard (reprise)

By Gary Cruse

[Tick, blrrrp, blrrrp] You have reached the White House Switch Board.

The First Lady is instructing Ms Roosevelt; The Cabinet is before the Grand Jury; Buddy is mourning his dangles; Socks is making a hair ball for Mr Carville; The President is auditioning interns for a position on his staff. If you wish to use the White House Phone Mail System, please remain on the line. Thank you, and have a nice day.

[Tick, blrrp]

*Welcome to the White House Phone Mail System.

*If you are a Liberal, PRESS a few dollar signs. $$$ *If you are an erupting bimbo, PRESS 1. 1 *If you are a veteran, unhappy bimbo who has: been limo’ed by Vernon Jordan, been come-to-Jesus'ed by Landow, had your raw FBI file explained to you, no DNC blood relatives, THEN leave your home address, work address, daily routine, and PRESS infinity.

*If you are an unhappy, newbie bimbo, PRESS star-buck THEN leave an employment application.

*If you are an African-American, PRESS 2. 2 Hello. This is the Ron Brown’s Suspicious Death Hotline. Due to unexpected allocation of millions in federal tax dollars to a favorite NAACP cause, RBSDH has been discontinued. Please return to the main menu and select "Vince Foster" for explanations of missing X-rays, unexpected skull holes, and collateral suicides.

*If you are Chinese, PRESS 3. 3 Hello, and welcome to the White House, where every year is the Year of the Rat. *If you are Johnny Huang, PRESS 6 *If you are Johnny Chung, PRESS 6 *If you are Charlie Trie, PRESS 6 6 Three words: ===Barbara Alice Wise=== ...and don't call back. *If you are Jun Wang, or any other official of the People's Liberation Army, PRESS a bunch of yuan signs. ¥¥¥¥¥ Thank you. The Library of Congress, the Stealth database, composite material manufacturing equipment, the bolts from every US infantryman's rifle, and a walkthrough for "Frankenstein, Through the Eyes of the Monster" have been containerized and are waiting for you at Long Beach.

*If you are Russian, PRESS ç. ç Dobro pozhalovat! Kak dela? Ty menya ponimayesh? Kak eto skazat po russki? Is anyone else listening? OK. Look, I see all those big-haired blonde gals you got and whoooeeee!! Ty prekrasno vyglyadish. Ya know? Hell, I seen Dr. Zhivago, twice. 'Member that part where the Rod Steiger took Laura to the opera, and when they got back home, he jumped on her and pu.... Hilly's comin'--gotta go. Do svidaniya!

*If you are African, PRESS 4. 4 The president regrets American participation in slavery; U.S. support of nasty African dictators during the Cold War; U.S. "neglect and ignorance" of Africa; U.S. failure to intervene sooner in the Rwandan genocide of 1994; U.S. "complicity" in apartheid, and the fact that there will be no direct assistance to countries that did not help get out the Democratic vote in 1996.

*If you are a union leader, PRESS 5.

The fact that unions continue to be run by people with names like Provenzano, Nunzio, Sciarra, and Salvatore, intimidating members through murder, threats and economic reprisals, while obtaining payoffs and kickbacks in return for promises of labor peace, proves the strength of unity. The International Labor Organization's matron, Saint Hillary, Queen of Protection, accepts votive offerings and member dues money as compensation for her worker's life of lawyering and studenting. To submit her holy due, PRESS the dollar sign three times and say, "Alfonse sent me." *If you are an affirmative action lobbyist, PRESS 6.

6

*PRESS 1 for "yes," 2 for "no." *I want the best person for the job. *We must all be treated equally. *Self esteem needs social promotion. *Our schools are not doing the job. *God is a black crack ho. *If you are Conservative, PRESS the square root of 325, followed by the pound-sand sign.

The Book of Willem (Reprise)

The Book of Willem

While blasting out some dangerous overhangs in Syria's Petrosian pass, workers discovered a cave that contained pottery shards and parchment fragments. The fragments were reassembled and translate as follows. [All caps in original]

...AND IT CAME TO PASS AT EVENTIDE, THAT WILLEM FELT A BESTIRRING IN HIS LOINS AND A RESTLESSNESS CAME OVER HIM. SO AS TO LEAVE UNBROKEN THE PEACEFUL SLUMBER OF HAKKATHOO, HIS WIFE, WITH MUCH CARE AND SLOWNESS OF MOVING HE AROSE FROM OUT OF HIS BED, AND WITH SILENT FEET OF THE SNOWY EGRET DID HE MAKE WAY INTO THE ROOM OF PROVISIONS. THERE DID WILLEM TAKE A LOAVE OF BREAD, SOME CAKES AND A JAR OF HONEY.

THEN WALKED HE UPON THE ROOFTOP OF THE WING OF THE KING'S HOUSE THAT LIES UNDER THE WESTERN STAR, AND FROM THE ROOF HIS GAZE DID FALL UPON A WOMAN PAINTING HERSELF; AND THE WOMAN WAS FAIR TO LOOK UPON.

"O, SELAH, SELAH, " WILLEM YEARNED. THEN DID HE SEEK OUT HIS MANSERVANT AND ENQUIRE TO HIM AFTER THE WOMAN, SAYING, "ALLO, ALLO, IS NOT THIS SPASMONIEA, DAUGHTER OF ONAN THE THEODOLITE?" AND WILLEM SENT MESSENGERS, AND TOOK HER; AND SHE CAME IN TO THE ROOM WITHOUT EDGES WHERE WILLEM HAD COME TO WAIT.

WHEN WILLEM HEARD THE SOUND OF HER FOOTSTEPS AT THE DOOR, HE SAID, "COME IN, SPASMONIEA OF ONAN THE THEODOLITE. I HAVE RAISED YOU UP FROM AMONG THE PEOPLE AND MADE YOU LIKE BIMBOLONIAS, WHO HAVE KEPT MY COMMANDS AND FOLLOWED ME WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS."

AND SPASMONIEA SPAKE UNTO WILLEM, "BECAUSE OF THIS, I WILL EAT UP THE GLORY OF THE KING; JUST AS ONE BURNS DUNG, UNTIL IT IS ALL GONE. DOGS WILL EAT THOSE WHO WOULD LAY APPROBATION LIKE A LOG AGAINST THY THIGHS, AND THE BIRDS IN THE AIR WILL FEED ON THOSE WHO COME IN FROM THE COUNTRY."

THEN SPASMONIEA DID UNTO HIM ACCORDING TO THE MANNER OF THE SUCCUBBITES, GREAT OF HAIR, UNTIL WILLEM LIFTED UP HIS EYES TO THE HILLS AND SANG WITH THE VOICE OF BAASHCA'S CAMEL, FROM THE HOUSE OF BEN-DONE. AND SPASMONIEA RETURNED TO HER HOUSE WHERE SHE SOUGHT LYNNEDA, HER MISTRESS, AND TOLD HER WHAT HAD BEFALLEN HER, SHOWING UNTO LYNNEDA HER ANOINTED CLOTHING WHICH SHE HAD SAVED.

NOW WHEN WILLEM LEARNED THAT LYNNEDA HAD SEEN THE ANOINTED RAIMENT, HE WAS SORE AFRAID, FOR THE WOMEN OF THE PLACE SAID, " ELVIS HATH SKEWERED HIS THOUSANDS AND WILLEM HIS TENS OF THOUSANDS."

AND KINISHTARR THE PROPHET CAME BEFORE WILLEM AND SAID, "DIDST THOU KNOW THAT WOMAN? "

AND WILLEM SWARE AND SAID, " I KNEW HER NOT IN THE BIBLICAL SENSE." AND ALL THE PEOPLE SAID AMEN.

THEN WAXED HAKKATHOO,THE WIFE OF WILLEM, EXCEEDING WROTH AND SPAKE UNTO THE ELDERS IN THIS MANNER, "FOR THEY ARE IN LEAGUE AGAINST MY LORD, YEA, EVEN THE SONS OF LIMBAA AND LIDEE ," AND SHE CURSED KINISHTARR BY HIS GODS. AND ALL THE PEOPLE SAID AMEN.

THEN WILLEM SENT UNTO SEKKDEF, THE CAPTAIN OF THE HOST, AND LAID UPON HIM IN THIS FASHION, "GO THOU AND JOIN BATTLE WITH THE BABYLONIANS, THAT THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE MIGHT TURN AND NOT LOOK UPON THE RAIMENT OF SPASMONIEA." AND SEKKDEF ROSE AND DID IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMMAND OF WILLEM HIS LORD.

AND THE WIFE OF WILLEM CALLED UNTO HER TWO MEN, SONS OF KHARVILEIL, AND SAID, "I WILL THAT YOU FETCH ME THE HEAD OF KINISHTARR THE PROPHET UPON A STAFF, FOR HE HATH BLASPHEMED AGAINST GOD AND AGAINST ME, WHICH COMETH TO THE SAME THING."

AND THE TWO MEN WENT AND TOOK KINISHTARR THE PROPHET AND SLEW HIM, AND BROUGHT HIS HEAD TO THE WIFE OF THE KING.

BUT WHEN THEY DREW NIGH UNTO THE KING¹S HOUSE, THE ELDERS SPIED THEM AND SPAKE UNTO THE MEN, SAYING," WHEREFORE IS KINISHTARR DEAD, AND WHEREIN GUILTY, THAT YOU HAVE BEHEADED HIM?"

AND THE MEN ANSWERED AND SAID, "FOR KINISHTARR AND DIKK, SON OF ARAMEE, HAVE CAST STONES AT THE KING, SEEKING HIS LIFE". AND THE ELDERS CAME INTO THE PRESENCE OF WILLEM AND SAID, "LET THY WORDS BE TRUE AND WREAK NO FALSEHOOD AGAINST US, WAST THOU STONED INDEED?"

AND WILLEM RENT HIS GARMENTS AND SWARE, "NOT IN THE BIBLICAL SENSE." AND ALL THE PEOPLE SAID AMEN.

Burning Desire (reprise)

Burning Desire By Gary Cruse

It was hot in the Oval. Summertime DC.

You know, like when the crawdads clumb onto the mangrove roots just to keep from being gumboed alive. Or was that mandrake? No, that was Lasater's deal.

I was thinking about Gore and wishing he would give me a key to the thermostat covers when she walked in.

"Mr. President, do you remember me? Mrs. Edward Willey?"

Remember her? Legs going up like a Roman candle; a rack to shame the 24-pointer I wasted at Camp David, even if the SS had to tether it first. Yeah, I remembered the dame, like Bennett remembers San Francisco, Sacco remembers Vanzetti, like Hillary remembers...every gall-danged thing. Like how nervous Vince wa...

"Mr. President?"

"Huh? Yes. Yes, Mrs. Willey. Sit down. Sit down."

Her dress was sultry and clingy, like a hot intern. Her knees stayed tight until she was seated. Then she crossed her legs in one practiced motion, her hose making a slithery sound.

Out of all the broke down, multi-colored rug, sweaty hot Oval Offices in the world, she had to pick mine.

I thumbed the intercom and told Betty to hold all calls. Then I asked Willey why she came.

"My husband has embezzled a lot of money that we have to pay back, Mr. President. And I need something more than the volunteer job I have. I mean, Easter Egg rolls...."

I wanted to feel her pain, but she was across the desk. How could I get into her...pantry. That was it. The pantry.

"Mrs. Willey, would you like a cup of coffee?"

She couldn't turn it down. I stood and gestured toward the galley just off the Oval and motioned for her to go in ahead of me. It was like little animals when she walked.

I asked her how many lumps she wanted, but I was thinking about how many lumps I was getting...one in the throat and one down at the Y.

As much as I hate carpet burns, I suggested that we adjourn into the study. Groans I make in the galley ricochet like singing in the shower, and I felt an aria coming on.

The difference between the flourescent lights in the galley and the warm tungsten lamps in the study was startling. Her hair went from copper to a warm auburn and I went for a hug.

As I held her tense frame up close, her warmth began to spread to me, rapidly getting hotter and wetter. I backed up and took her squashed coffee cup from between us and sat it on the end table.

"Mr. President, aren't you afraid someone will walk in here?"

"No, no," I told her how sorry I was for her troubles and pulled her against me again, my lips finding hers before she turned her head sharply, leaving my tongue to dart into her earring.

That was when I realized I was being set up. Women could not resist me. Brother Graham told me so himself.I slid a finger into her breast pocket looking for an West Wing pass in case Hillary had sent her.

There was none.

I would have to threaten her to buy her silence.

I took her hand and made sure she felt the hard barrel of my thigh-holstered snub nose. It's a repeater.

"It's not that I'm glad to see you. It's just something I've wanted to do for a long time," I hissed.

That did it. She paled and backed away, "I have to be going. It would kill my husband if I did this."

More than you ever knew, Sister. More than you ever knew.

Degrees of Freedom

Degrees of Freedom By Gary Cruse

Why doesn't CBS begin to explore the WH's treason, sedition and bribery? Because it is hard to make it interesting? Maybe with a quiz show....

Episode 9822 Mar 18, 1998

[Announce] IT'S DEGREES OF FREEDOM

[Intro music]

[Announce] And here's the Host of DEGREES OF FREEDOM,

KEVIN BACON ! [Applause]

[KB] Thank you, Bob. Welcome to DEGREES OF FREEDOM, where we pay you to tell us, "How many degrees removed am I from this having anything to do with me?"

Let's welcome our guest panelists: Cynthia Pitcairn, from Palo Viral, Arizona; Garth Wunsch, from Malcorpus, Vermont; Eileen Tordja, from Slope, Missouri; and Ezra Acklemeyer, of Oral, Pennsylvania.

[Applause]

[KB] Welcome, panel. Now, for those at home, here's Bob to tell you how we play DEGREES OF FREEDOM. Bob?

[Bob] Thank you, Kevin. Contestants for DOF are given faits accompli by the Clinton administration and asked to provide linkage as to why they should give a damn. The winner goes on to the 'Rubber Meets the Road' round where real consequences take place.

[KB] Thank you, Bob. Now let's get started, shall we? Contestant #1, are you ready to play DEGREES OF FREEDOM?

[CP] Yes, I am, Kevin.

[Applause]

[KB] Alright, Cynthia. The administration gutted the Defense Department's review capacity and sold supercomputers to Communist China. How many degrees before it affects you?

[CP] It didn't do me no good. I ain't living in Silicon Valley. What the hell do I care?

[KB] Wrong, Cynthia. Over to you, Garth. Guided missiles, such as the as-yet-indefensible Mach-3 Russian Yakhont antiship missile are about to be delivered to the PRC. And those supercomputers will allow the Chinese to reverse-engineer and mass produce these ramjet, land-air-or-sea launchable missiles. This will upset the balance of power around Taiwan and Asia in general. Not to mention the loss of American naval supremacy in the Persian Gulf if Iran or Iraq gets this product. How about it Garth? How many degrees to you?

[GW] None of these miss-aisles can reach Vermaaht, Kaavin. Besaades, withaat global positioning technaalogy, even China's baallistic miss-aisles can't hit Malcorpus. Maybe LA. But I don't live in Laas Aangeles. What the haall do I care?

[KB] The best answer so far, Garth. Now, Eileen, the Clinton administration has allowed the export to China of Global Positioning System technology for missile guidance, satellites and satellite technology. How many degrees to you?

[ET] None, Kevin. Like, just so long as these weapons are, you know, kept out of the hands of those loonies in Iraq and Iran. I'm all, "Hellooo??? Are you talking to me?" I mean, a country that helped get Bill Clinton elected, is like righteous, like, you know? [KB] Not bad, Eileen. It's up to you, Ezra. Are are you ready?

[EZ] Yes, I am, Kevin.

[KB] Alright, Ezra! According to publisher Alyn Denham, DNC fund-raiser John Huang worked with Entergy Corporation of North Carolina to buy sophisticated computers, software electronics and telecommunication technology to be used in China's missile guidance systems. Huang funneled $3.4 million in tainted Asian contributions to the DNC during the 1996 election, and Clinton hired the head of Entergy Corporation, Erskine Bowles, to be White House Chief of Staff. How many DEGREES OF FREEDOM before this affects you, Ezra?

[EA] Two degrees, Kevin. I happen to know something about this. Intelligence aides warned the President in '95, and '96, that highly sensitive equipment was being shipped to the PRC from Entergy. Clinton reportedly told the aides that the Pentagon assured him that only obsolete equipment and software were being shipped.

[KB] That's right, Ezra. Although the aides could not find anyone in the Pentagon to verify Clinton's account of the conversation, your answer puts you in the lead going into Round Two. [Applause]

[KB] Alright, panel, Round Two. I would like an answer from each of you on this one, please.

Johnny Chung has alleged that a member of Hillary Clinton's staff solicited him for money and he responded the next day by delivering a $50,000 Democratic donation to the first lady's chief of staff. A few days later, Chung was allowed to bring Chinese businessmen into the White House to watch the president's radio address. How many degrees? Cynthia, let's start with you.

[CP] How can you watch a radio show?

[GW] Two. Aaverybady does it.

[ET] Can we, like, talk about Monica, now?

[EA] Three. Hillary wasn't elected.

[KB] Alright, panel. Well done. We'll total up your scores and see who goes to 'Rubber Meets the Road' after this word from our sponsors.

[Applause]

[Entergy Corp: "Chungy Bowles O' Soup" 30 secs] [COSCO: "The Wong March" 30 secs] [DNC: "Don't Worry, be Happy." 30 secs]

[KB] Welcome back. Our winner today, with five Degrees, is Ezra Acklemeyer.

[Applause]

[ KB] Well done, Ezra. For being our winner, you get the amount of money paid in portage fees to the Chinese government for cargo carried overland between the two Panama Canal anchor points today, due to the Chinese-calculated loss of water in the oceans from El Nino.

[Audience, "Holy shit"]

[EA] Wow.

[KB] Alright, Ezra, the Rubber Meets the Road. Due to the wholesale export of American defense technology to our most likely next enemy, our ability to compensate for hordes of troops with high tech, is gone. Yet US troop strength is only a fraction of what is necessary to handle a major conflict.

As of the start of tonight's program, North Korea has allowed China the use of tunnels under the DMZ to send 1 million cadres in armored columns into Seoul, where they have seized the city. The two major US carrier groups are in the Gulf, trapped by scuttled ships at the entrance and exit, as shore-mounted Sunburns and Yakhonts take out the Aegis cruisers and carriers. Chemical warheads from Iraq have incapacitated our US fighter contingent in Saudi Arabia.

You have fifteen seconds, Ezra. How many DEGREES OF FREEDOM do you have before you are affected? [Ding Dong music]

[Ding Dong]

[KB] Alright, Ezra. You know the situation. How many Degrees before you are affected?

[GW] None, Kevin. This is just so much racist Oriental-bashing. China would never do anything to hurt their MFN status. Besides which, Bill Clinton has shown unparalleled shrewdness in getting what he wants from China, regardless of how much damage it does to the US. [Audience: "Holy shit"]

[KB] Sorry, Ezra, but you win.

[KB] And that's DEGREES OF FREEDOM for this week. Be sure to tune in next week when we look at "The Man in Front of the Tienanmen Tank-- Booed by the Beneficiaries of Liberty"

Big Hair (reprise)

To the tune of Marty Robbins'

"Big Iron"

BIG HAIR by Gary Cruse I was in a Cabinet meeting With the FLOTUS by my side, When striding in on camera Miss America stopped and cried,

"You can't flee the past forever With "It's all 'he said, she said,"" And I'll be there as a witness With my Big Hair on my head, Big Hair on my head."

"Big Hair, Big Hair, Whether backseat or in bed, You will pay for every bimbo With the Big Hair on her head."

Before I got my breath back, One stepped up to take her place. She said, " I'm Katie Willey. Don't you recognize my face?"

"All you see in starstruck women Is hot lips and boobs. Instead, Look upon your waking nightmare With my Big Hair on my head. Big Hair on my head."

Big Hair, Big Hair, I wished that I was dead. God, there must have been a hundred With the Big Hair on their head.

That's when they all came trooping in, Interns, Flowers, and Jones. Shelia Lawrence, grey as death, With Larry's mobile bones.

Lewinsky's blown, like Ladybird, All bouffant as she said, "My affidavit's full of air As Big Hair on my head. Big Hair on my head."

Big Hair, Big Hair, The last thing Rodham said, Was "I hope your prison cellmate Will have Big Hair on his head" Big Hair, Big Hair, I'm just fresh meat for the convict With the Big Hair on his head, Big Hair on his head.

TV Summaries (reprise)

TV Summaries [Written in 1995] By Gary Cruse

Week ending April 30, 2001

Sunday 1800 EDT

HDTV: Docudrama

60 Minutes CBS

‘’ Civil Courts in Crisis,’’a special one-hour presentation.

Correspondent Charlie Trie explores the collapse of justice from the near universal, perjured, ‘’anti-statements’’ plaguing noncriminal trials. Special report filed by Diane Sawyer on the sales surge in implanted voice stress analyzers as fallout from Clinton’s Right-to-Lie Referendum of 1999. Andy Rooney compares the screws in his walker.

20/20 ABC

‘’Is Campaign Finance Necessary?’’ Co-Host Dee Dee Myers questions the need to restrict campaign finance given the revenue from sale of South Korea to Beijing’s clients in Pyonyang. IRS head David Brock interviewed on necessity for shutting down opposition press and internet providers until IRS can work through the backlog of audits triggered by reporting in the last election. Hugh Downs compares the screws in Barbra Walter’s head plate. Actually, we like this paragraph because of the way it came out shaped like a set of boobs.

§§§§§

Monday 1800 EDT

Satellite Broadcast Picks SkyTel Your Money

Rupert Murdoch examines the coupons on the bonds bought by the US Treasury from China to finance their purchase of the former Republic of Korea.

IndoBird Our Money

President Suharto defends his family’s conversion of Korea-sale money into ringoots and the subsequent redenomination into Chinese yuan by the Riadys.

MingSat 435 What Money?

Peoples Liberation Army Chairman Tsao Bing Wo hosts US President Al Gore in the newly opened Hall of Sino-DNC Yin-for-Yang.

§§§§§

Tuesday 2000 EDT

Cable: AllTalk Channel

The Sara Ferguson Show

Duchess Fergie’s scheduled guest is Monica Lewinsky Carville, discussing her role of bringing oral sex into contemporary social intercourse. Also scheduled, Susan Estrich Stephanopolous, the author of ‘’Is Fellatio Replacing the Toothbrush?’’

Equal Time PMSNBC

Mary Matalin takes back her maiden name and rejoins the show following a bitter divorce. Topics: My upcoming IRS audit; The New Sex Etiquette---Gumming or Non-Gumming?

The Sci-Fi Channel

‘’The Man Who Wasn’t There’’

A man is given White House clearance, an office, a safe in a restricted room, and 900 raw FBI files to pore over. No one hired him. No one gets the information. Craig Livingstone plays himself.

§§§§§

Wednesday

1900 EDT

HDTV: Situation comedy

My Brother Eddie NBC

Eddie’s first day back in school is a grabbing, groping riot of laughs, until Eddie is caught with an aspirin in his pocket.

Flying the Friendly Skies ABC

Air Force One stewardess, played by Elizabeth Ward Gracen, saves the day. Hijacker threatens to kill pilot until Gracen warns no one else could pilot the plane. When hijacker puts gun to Gracen’s head, pilot tells him that, without her, hijacker would be only one left to give the President his blow jobs. Hijacker surrenders.

Joe Six-Pack

Joe Six-Pack (John Houseman), refuses to testify in his own defense after seeing videotape of himself laughing at funerals, turning his house into a motel, entertaining communist dictators, groping desparate job seekers, photo-opping the Eucharist, and turning his nose into a vacuum; leaves studio and quits series.

§§§§§

Thursday 2100 EDT

Cable Educational The History Channel

Connections

Professor Gauche Port details the obstacles provoking, precipitating, causing the recent unpleasantness:

Eisenhower’s wartime ‘’chauffeur,’’ John Kennedy, Gary Hart, the three-judge panel, Ken Starr, Paula, Gennifer, Kathleen, the Supreme Court, the House of Reps, the media, the Judiciary Committee, Byrd, Barr, the US Senate, Lott, local militias, disgruntled ignorant rightwingers, state National Guard units.

PBS Frontline ‘’Gotta Lotta Lotus’’

Broadcast live from Taipei, the emotional celebration of the reunification of China. Chinese rockets light up the sky, illuminating millions of joyful PRC amphibious and airborne cadre resolutely embracing their long-separated cousins. Riotous throngs of jubilant mainland soldiers are expected to sing and dance the night away in the happy streets of Taiwan. US President Al Gore will be on hand to usher in a new era of DNC solvency.

Take My Nukes, Please (A reprise)

By Gary Cruse

Take my nuke....Please

[Laughter]

....But, I wanna tell ya, it's gettin' really, really, weird out there.

[Audience: How weird is it?]

[Laughter]

.... It is sooooo weird. I mean the Jerusalem Post reports that Iran paid Kazakhistan $25 million for two tactical nuclear warheads. .... Now, we're not talking Bikini Atoll here, folks. Tactical is more like "saving our bullets for the wounded." For twelve and a half million per hit, Netanyahu will *sell* you the real estate!

[Laughter]

.... Then the Iranians brought in some Argentinians to work on the warheads. Argentinians? What is that? Are the gauchos herding neutrons on the pampas, now?

[Laughter]

.... I mean, where's the BEEF?

[Laughter]

.... But the Argentinians can't figure out how to get the warheads open to see what makes them work. Engineer .... Turkan, chairman of the defense industries said the Argentinians were "lazy, greedy, and egotistical." .... Isn't there a word in Iranian for "inexperienced?"

[Laughter]

.... Then Turkan "expressed hope that the group of experts from Russia that arrived in Iran will not cause these problems." Hey, you void the warranty with cheap help, then want Mother to fix? Ayatollah you, but you woona listen.

[Laughter]

.... And, according to Publius, those seals are in fact KGB security locks placed on the warheads to prevent them from being used without authorization [Strategic Investments 1994]. .... The Iranians paid the Khazaks $25 million for two large, heavy, radioactive paperweights.

[Laughter]

.... So the Iranians gave them to the Chinese in return for nuclear and missile technology (which the Chinese got thanks to Bill Clinton). The Chinese want the bombs for the "sole purpose of studying KGB security seals."

.... You say Irani, I say Iraqi. .... Let's call the whole thing off.

[Laughter] [Commercial]

Bill Clinton's J' Aveour a Trois

Brought over from days of old...
Bill Clinton's J' Aveour a Trois
By Gary Cruse

President Bill Clinton started his day in South Africa by going to services at the Regina Mundi Roman Catholic Church, which served as a refuge for members of the popular movement that replaced the country's apartheid system with democracy four years ago.

"I am profoundly honored to be in this great house of God," Clinton said at the church in Soweto, the sprawling slum outside Johannesburg. The congregation of about 1,000 gathered in the church enthusiastically welcomed the President, but began to murmur doubtfully when Clinton was overheard describing a statue of the Virgin Mary, "That's a good looking virgin. I wish I had a virgin like that at the White House." Outspoken members of the congregation insisted that Clinton was unworthy of taking Communion with them, and probably wasn't even a Catholic.

In a hastily arranged meeting with Monsignor Adidas Nkomo, Mrs Clinton pleaded that the President had briefly attended parochial school as a youth. But Monsignor Nkomo ruled that the President, even with a bishopric dispensation, would be required to undertake the sacrament of confession; that Clinton could not receive Communion if he had sinned and had not gone to Confession, admitted his sin, vowed not to sin again, and recited Penance.

In a heated discussion, Mrs Clinton contended that she and "El Schmucko" would not be in Africa long enough for her husband to confess all his sins, even if they "went at it round the clock, for ten days." Finally, a compromise was reached whereby the President would confess his sins as quickly as he could to three priests at once for four hours.

The Church's regular confessional was not large enough for j'avouer a trois, so the group adjourned to a small choir practice room. For confidentiality and privacy, a black silk handkerchief was draped over the face of the President and everyone left the room save Mr Clinton and the three fathers confessor.

About fifteen minutes into the confession, one priest opened the door, came out of the confession room and closed the door softly behind him. Clearly distraught, the Father recounted that the litany of misdeeds was such a travesty, that the corpus on the wall-mounted crucifix in the room had climbed down off the cross and leaped out the window.

Half an hour later, a second priest emerged with tales of a levitating piano and green peasoup-like liquid being projected from behind the silk handkerchief while the penitent's head revolved wildly on his shoulders.

Father Nsoto, the remaining priest, stayed the entire four hours and heard the confession. Escorted from the Church by American Secret Service men, the dumbstruck priest was unable to find his tongue until, as reported by the Secret Service, as they placed him in an official car Nsoto said he felt depressed and suicidal.

Following the service, Clinton spoke briefly from the pulpit, as did the Rev. Jesse L. Jackson. Jackson is special envoy to Africa and a member of Clinton's delegation. While he once had edgy relations with Clinton, Jackson has more recently been an informal spiritual adviser to the Clintons during the Monica Lewinsky controversy. Today, he asked the congregation to "pray for President Clinton, whose boldness and daring" are helping to "bring down ancient walls."

Teensy O'Shrew

Thing is, this is the GREATER white-toothed shrew (black-fanged shrew remains undiscovered; sorry, Soupy)! Imagine how tiny the LESSER must be.

Vas you dere, Chollie?

Overheard out there somewhere...

Disillusionist Says: May 16th, 2008 at 8:07 AM

“Where was the outrage when Hillary herself orchestrated sexist attacks again Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, etc.? Isn’t it a bit late to be playing this card?”

Actually, there was plenty of outrage on the right over Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers, while we only got uninterrupted silence from the usual Outrage-of-the-Day types at NOW. Sorry you slept through the ’90’s, sweetie. Reading the New York Times for information will do that to you.

An optical puzzle

Is it coming or going?

Pass the pale, I'm gonna Bush

Breitbart

Bush has said the 70,000 barrels of oil being diverted to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is such a small amount that it does not affect energy markets.

And yet one person in California growing weed for his own medicinal use affects interstate commerce?

Then either Gonzales (nee Ashcroft) v Raich was in insane verdict on a Bush administration prosecution that should never have reached the USSC, or the President is so constricted by his socially conservative hypocrisy he's gone past the pale.

A man of the people

What? Man, I been eatin' japaleno peppers all my...holy christ...Shit!....JEEZUS!!!

Palpitating Pulpits

Sounds like Christians of the time traded meaningful policy for a feel-goodism.

"We're a church; we're different; while any other profit-making entity must cough up to support the commons, somehow being taxed violates the establishment clause and we won't have it."

"Okay, then. No taxes for you."

"Good."

"In return no partisan activity from you."

"What?"

"Democracy has a compelling interest in government not subsidizing partisan political activity."

"What?  What kind of liberal nonsense is that?"

"The Republicans had a majority of both the Senate and the House as well as the Presidency in 1954. These changes may be due to then-Senator LBJ, but they were approved by the GOP and signed by Eisenhower."

"But surely God favors one party over the other!"

"To the extent there is a God, yes.  In other words, no."

"Well, government shouldn't mess with my religion."

"Say now, 1954...wasn't that about the time 'under God' was shoe-horned into the Pledge of Allegiance?    Politics was plucked from the pulpit, and the pulpit was poked into the Pledge.  Priceless."

"You mean God's institutions are penalized if they try to influence a government that the Pledge says is Under God?"

"Yes.  It's called Catch-22."

"That's some catch."

"It's the best there is."

To paraphrase Rosanne Roseannadanna's father

As President Bush said to [Mark Steyn]: "If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons."

Halleloser!!

I'm tempted to give Obama advice similar to that Brother Dave Gardner once comedified --- "James Lewis, get away from that wheelbarruh. You knows you don't know nothin' 'bout machinery." Only I'd substitute church for wheelbarrow and "what you believe" for machinery.

So how's the WOT goin', eh?

"Only a third of FBI special agents and intelligence analysts have access to the Internet at their desktops. FBI personnel lack the ability to store and share images and audio files associated with intelligence investigations." ---- FBI is called slow to join the terrorism fight They didn't have any problem setting up online computers for agents to look for pornography, though, did they? Oh, wait ... did you say porn? Oh, my. Teh prOn! Teh prOn!

According to FBI headquarters, the war against smut is "one of the top priorities" of Attorney General Gonazalez and FBI Director Robert Meuller. Although law enforcement agencies have always been aggressive when it comes to prosecuting exploitative child pornographers, this new initiative is unique in that it targets Internet pornography featuring consenting adults.

You say you had a revolution?

A lefty supreme court looking to achieve economic/social justice might be tempted to look beyond the Constitution to extranational law. Thank goodness we don't have one of THOSE. Our righty court only goes outside the Constitution when it is necessary to abrogate the notion of federalism, striking down icky states who traduce social conservatism's notion of the common good by allowing people to...well, you know. If the early Republic had be constrained by the sumo-sized Federal Register of today, the baby would have been crushed in the crib.

Something I didn't know but you probably do

"Born to Be Wild," [Steppenwolf's] third single on ABC-Dunhill, was immortalized on the soundtrack of Dennis Hopper's underground film classic Easy Rider. The song's reference to "heavy metal thunder" finally gave an assignable name to an emerging genre.

Notes and Asides without actually blogging...

*I read Coulter strictly for the bombast, a word which when used in association with Ann Coulter is compellingly onomatopaic.
*Oh god, do I hate Omarosa, the black Sandra Bernhard {Helen Thomas's Dorian Gray).
*Here's the most fun I ever had in a passenger jet---
I was on a flight out of Calgary, Alberta to Toronto in a L-1011 widebody. We had hardly retracted the landing gear following take off when a very loud percussion resembling a machine gun firing arrived accompanied by rapid jolts.

It was one of the few times in my life that I seriously thought there was a good chance I was gonna die. Oddly, there was no panic or fear, just resignation and the thought that it had been good while life lasted.

The pilot wheeled the airliner around and took us back to the Calgary airport which, upon our arrival, had fire trucks and foam trucks lining the runway. We landed safely.

I found out later that one of the struts in one of the huge L-1011 engines had come loose and was sucked back into the turbine. The machine-gun fire we heard was the strut breaking turbine blades in its journey through the motor.

Good times!

*Conservatives who thought they had ordered Republican takeout but when they opened the bag at home found it was Democrat-lite can be forgiven their bewilderment if not their apathy. The Contract with America was the clarion call the Republican congress and administration ignored once they got hold of the levers of power. Now they wonder where its supporters went. One of the places is not-to-the-polls.

As for you, Newt, a few more photo-ops with Pelosi and you can go somewhere, too.

*The last time the high imprisonment rate for blacks came up in meatspace, I told the complainant that the courts were evidently even more sexist than the racism being claimed.

When he asked why, I asked him to note that half the population is female and half male, yet prisoners are overwhelmingly male; so justice must be biased.

When he objected that it was because men committed more crime than women, his voice got softer and softer as it slowly dawned on him the fallacy of his belief.

*All I know is that if Reefer Madness is a documentary, I've been paying a lot of money for oregano.

*James Joyce is as unlikeable to me now as he was to the offended back then. I think art that isn't attempting to suade is enjoyable regardless of the artist's politics, but that would mostly apply, I think, to sculpture, paint, architecture and not so much writing. Art Buchwald wrote for many years in a mildly leftist manner that was inoffensive and as exciting as a bucket of warm beer.

Give me Dorothy Parker and Camille Paglia any day. I disagree with them in many areas but feast on their writing. For that matter, my favorite writer of the time, Sinclair Lewis was sharply skewering the society he saw yet I count myself on the conservative, albeit libertarian, side of the divide.

Can we partake of polemical art without being molded by it? Good question.

*Everyone knows computers run on smoke because when the smoke comes out, your computer doesn’t work.

*

“Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons.”

Popular Mechanics, 1949

Banned!

Libertarianism vs. the Family - Can civilization survive freedom?
reason ^ | September 18, 2007 | Brian Doherty
Posted on 09/18/2007 8:09:27 PM MDT by JTN
In the September issue of Commentary, Kay Hymowitz surveys
libertarianism in the form of a review essay on my book,
Radicals for Capitalism: A Freewheeling History of the
Modern American Libertarian Movement, and reason contributing
 editor Brink Lindsey’s book The Age of Abundance:
How Prosperity Transformed America’s Politics and Culture
(excerpted in our July issue).
The right-wing joust at libertarianism has a long tradition,
and Hymowitz’s starts off kinder than most. She credits

(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...

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1 posted on 09/18/2007 8:09:32 PM MDT by JTN
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To: traviskicks
Ping


2 posted on 09/18/2007 8:10:08 PM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: JTN
"Freedom is good... as long as you obey."

3 posted on 09/18/2007 8:16:36 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: JTN
Imagine such “freedom,” where your neighbor/supervisor/master
is wearing no pants and has a crack pipe in his mouth while
loading his 50 caliber machine gun and demanding that your
daughters work as prostitutes for him.


4 posted on 09/18/2007 8:20:54 PM MDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: familyop
Libertarians greatly condemn one person’s freedom interfering with
another’s, which is what you described.


5 posted on 09/18/2007 8:24:32 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: familyop
What an amazing mischaracterization of libertarianism.
Not too good on the Second Amendment either. Libertarians
aren’t into ‘forcing’ anybody to do much of anything.
If your daughter’s a hooker, maybe you should look closer to home for the reason.


6 posted on 09/18/2007 8:27:01 PM MDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Are Libertarians for or against abortion?


7 posted on 09/18/2007 8:28:17 PM MDT by frogjerk (If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
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To: familyop
where your neighbor/supervisor/master is wearing no pants
and has a crack pipe in his mouth while loading his 50 caliber
machine gun and demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him.
ROFL. I knew it wouldn't take long for the first
knee-jerk anti-Libertarian post to occur.

8 posted on 09/18/2007 8:29:43 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: frogjerk
Libertarians are not monolithic on abortion. Probably
most are at least partly pro-choice, but there is a significant
pro-life segment to the movement. I refer you to Libertarians for Life.

9 posted on 09/18/2007 8:30:35 PM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: frogjerk
Are Libertarians for or against abortion?
Some are, some aren't. So?

10 posted on 09/18/2007 8:31:28 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: frogjerk
Abortion is a uniquely controversial issue. Among libertarians,
this debate consists of multiple questions, including:
· whether abortion should be illegal
· if so, at what level of government this should be enforced
· whether or not the government should fund abortions
The vast majority of libertarians are agreed on the latter question, believing that government should not fund personal activity, especially activity of such a controversial nature. However, as to whether abortion should be legal, they are split as equally as the mainstream.[1] Many libertarians believe that a woman's ownership of her own body, and therefore her right to control it, includes her right to terminate her pregnancy without any interference. Others believe the fetus has a human right to life, and that an abortion is the initiation of fatal force against a helpless victim.
From Wikipedia

11 posted on 09/18/2007 8:31:41 PM MDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: familyop
Imagine such “freedom,” where your neighbor/supervisor/master
is wearing no pants and has a crack pipe in his mouth while
loading his 50 caliber machine gun and demanding that your
daughters work as prostitutes for him.
You say that like it is a bad thing.
My daughter would never do anything like that.

37 posted on 09/18/2007 8:58:58 PM MDT by elkfersupper
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To: gcruse; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; American Quilter
gcruse wrote:
"If you daughter’s a hooker, maybe you should look closer to home for the reason."

Jim Robinson:

My whole family saw that. Are you going to handle it, or will we take care of it?

38 posted on 09/18/2007 9:08:02 PM MDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: SteveMcKing
That’s a good thought.
I’ve always marveled how Marxists believe Government is God
while the Taliban believe God is Government.


39 posted on 09/18/2007 9:09:50 PM MDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: familyop
He’s no longer with us.


40 posted on 09/18/2007 9:10:21 PM MDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: ModelBreaker
Then me and my conservative Christian friends get out our brown
shirts, jack-boots, and guns and shoot you. You know, of course,
that Christians are required to keep a set of the above hidden
in the backs of their closets, don't you?

That would be far preferable to the current practice. Right now,
you simply pass laws from miles away and then get the police to
 do just what you described.
One stands a much better chance against "brown shirts" than a
fat sheriff backed by numerous federal agencies.

41 posted on 09/18/2007 9:10:46 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: familyop
Apologies to your lovely family.


42 posted on 09/18/2007 9:11:08 PM MDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: frogjerk
Some libertarians you mean.
So what all followers of a political ideology aren't going to be
perfect. You mind explaining to me why some Republicans are
pro-abortion and support other socialist views?

43 posted on 09/18/2007 9:12:24 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: familyop
"My whole family saw that. Are you going to handle it,
 or will we take care of it?"

Maybe you shouldn't project your computer screen onto an 8 x 20 foot wall.
Or, maybe you shouldn't lie to Jim Robinson.

44 posted on 09/18/2007 9:14:22 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: familyop; Jim Robinson
Jim, you gotta be kidding me. All the poster did
was use an example. I’m sure he didn’t mean it personally to the poster.


45 posted on 09/18/2007 9:14:44 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: familyop
You know the poster didn’t mean that, in that context.
Thanks for getting a long-time FReeper banned.


46 posted on 09/18/2007 9:15:51 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: Jim Robinson
And we all saw your reply. Thank you.


[...]

To: familyop
I don’t know if there is any previous history between
you and gcruse. Maybe there is something that I’m missing.
Reading that post, it appears to me as a neutral observer
 that it was clearly meant to be generic and figurative.
For example, does he even know that you have a daughter
 or not? For all he knows you could be a 20 year old unmarried college student with no children.
I don’t think it was personal at all.
I’m sorry if you took offense. I understand. I wouldn’t
 stand by while somebody slandered a family member.
But I really don’t think that it was meant in a
hurtful personal way. Just my opinion.
FRegards.


52 posted on 09/18/2007 9:27:48 PM MDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: familyop; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
Imagine such “freedom,” where your neighbor/supervisor/master is wearing no pants and has a crack pipe in his mouth while loading his 50 caliber machine gun and demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him. I am letting you know that both my pantsless neighbor and my crack smoking supervisor saw that. The are incensed at the insinuation that they may be pimps. Now, are you going to do something about it, or should they? (Keep in mind, they both have 50 caliber machine guns, and my boss is out of crack...)

64 posted on 09/18/2007 11:35:32 PM MDT by DawrinCentral
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To: Darksheare
What do you think is it a T or a Z
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1898700/posts?page=64#64


65 posted on 09/19/2007 12:30:59 AM MDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: restornu
I think it’s an IATZ lol.


66 posted on 09/19/2007 1:15:42 AM MDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: darkangel82
Well it is gone now BTW I did check earlier
and that was the one and only post!


67 posted on 09/19/2007 1:35:21 AM MDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: darkangel82
Can you imagine someone going through all
that effort to sign up and to get Zap on the first post!
BTW what is IATZ and ITA?


68 posted on 09/19/2007 1:38:48 AM MDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: DawrinCentral; familyop; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
I am letting you know that both my pantsless neighbor and
my crack smoking supervisor saw that. The are incensed at
 the insinuation that they may be pimps. Now, are you going
 to do something about it, or should they? (Keep in mind,
they both have 50 caliber machine guns, and my boss is out of crack...)
I would like to point out that I also saw that and that I
often load my 50 caliber machine gun while reading Free Republic (sometimes pantless, sometimes not). So, I would therefore like familyop banned, since I haven't pimped for quite some time and have been deeply offended by the comment. Or, perhaps, gcruse could just be reinstated and we could call it even.

69 posted on 09/19/2007 2:11:29 AM MDT by BearArms (Arm yourself because no one else here will save you)
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To: ModelBreaker
Even were your logic sound, so what?
An argument can't be any better than the premise
it's based on. If "family" exists in the absence
of authoritarian government, or in the presence of
libertarian society then the premise of libertarianism
being opposed to family is questionable, and the
entire argument along with it.


[...]

To: familyop
You bait the thread with inflammatory nonsense to
take offense in an appropriate reply? This is sad.
BTW - I was also a Combat Engineer and can’t recall any so sensitive as you.


73 posted on 09/19/2007 6:01:03 AM MDT by decimon
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To: familyop
demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him.

This would be considered pimping which is not a victimless crime.

83 posted on 09/19/2007 6:51:13 AM MDT by jackieaxe
(I'm voting for Ron Paul in spite of the Neocon/Big Government Republican propaganda!)
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To: familyop
I can’t believe you took offense at a comment
that was obviously not meant to speak to your personal situation.
Get a life and grow a thicker skin.


87 posted on 09/19/2007 7:19:09 AM MDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: gcruse; familyop; Jim Robinson
What an amazing mischaracterization of libertarianism.
 Not too good on the Second Amendment either. Libertarians
aren’t into ‘forcing’ anybody to do much of anything.
If you daughter’s a hooker, maybe you should look closer
to home for the reason.

Good heavens Jim...banning a long time freeper for a
figurative YOUR? I'm certain this person didn't intend
to insinuate that familyop's daughter was a hooker.
familyop...What you did was gross misrepresentation
of the other poster's comment. I wish you would consider
standing up and asking for the decision against gcruse to be reversed.

98 posted on 09/19/2007 9:26:27 AM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Concerning gcruse....I think you overreacted a little, FWIW.


99 posted on 09/19/2007 9:46:00 AM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: Jim Robinson; familyop
Add my voice to the list of those who think the
banning of gcruse was a gross overreaction. It was
familyop who originally brought up the "daughter as
prostitution" angle (see comment #4). If he didn't
want to discuss that subject, then he shouldn't have mentioned it.

114 posted on 09/19/2007 11:23:09 AM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: frogjerk
Depends on whom you talk to, but here’s how it
roughly breaks down. (And I’m talking about the
Libertarian Party, the most orthodox of orthodox,
not “small-l” libertarians.)
* I’d say about 33%, and growing, believe life
begins at conception and should be protected throughout (including myself)
* Close to 100% think Roe v Wade should be
overturned because it’s not a federal issue.
* 100% are opposed to any funding for Planned Parenthood.


115 posted on 09/19/2007 11:23:32 AM MDT by VirginiaConstitutionalist (Socialized medicine kills.)
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To: tacticalogic
Well, you're right about some social conservatives striding too
unreflectively from social criticism to political policymaking.
I hope I stride reflectively :^)
...but I take your point.
An example would be: what you could call "private" lying
(excluding fraud, breach of contract, libel.) Another example:
 truly private vice (by consenting adultoids in their very own private kinkorama.) For such things, the invasions of privacy needed to discover and prosecute the offenses, would arguably create evils outweighing the original offenses.
And they can and should be criticized adequately by moral teaching and social satire.

116 posted on 09/19/2007 11:30:13 AM MDT by Mrs. Don-o (An honest man is the noblest work of God.)
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To: Jim Robinson
So someone responds to a ridiculously hypothetical
situation with a hypothetical response, and gets
banned because someone’s feelings were hurt?
And what is his entire family doing huddled around the computer?
This place is starting to resemble Cal-Berkeley.


117 posted on 09/19/2007 11:30:37 AM MDT by VirginiaConstitutionalist (Socialized medicine kills.)
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
And what is his entire family doing huddled around the computer?
And how did his family miss the original comment?
This whole situation is just weird.

118 posted on 09/19/2007 11:40:46 AM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist; JTN; familyop; Jim Robinson
I’d wager the whole family saw the comment because
the poster said something like “OMG...look what
this creep had the audacity to say about us,
I’m gonna threaten Jim Robinson that he better do
something about it or WE WILL”
Again Jim...please notice it was familyop that
 brought up the hooker scenario first.


119 posted on 09/19/2007 12:19:56 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: tacticalogic
Many do. But I for one expect government to respect the social
compacts that we have already made by codifying them. Libertarians think more in terms of contracts, and expect the government to enforce these.


120 posted on 09/19/2007 1:30:42 PM MDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: decimon
"You bait the thread with inflammatory nonsense to take
offense in an appropriate reply? This is sad."

That's not true. The scenario that I presented was an
honest reaction to having read the Libertarian Platform.
 Libertarianism is most often dishonestly presented,
even with misleading theses in the Platform.

http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml

"BTW - I was also a Combat Engineer and can’t recall any so sensitive as you."

That's not true. The comment was not made about me.

Maybe I shouldn't so routinely display anything about my
service then. I saw a woman who was in a construction type
("combat heavy") of combat engineer unit and had "mom"
tattooed on her bicep. A platoon sergeant in a National
Guard combat engineer unit (combat--not construction)
had transferred from the Navy and done the quickie
combat engineer school for transfers. He was a social worker.
 He hated men and whole families. The enlisted dope
 smokers in that unit were promoted first. Each of
his platoon members left as soon as their enlistments
 expired. A neighbor of mine was a combat engineer
 (cbt.--not construction). He's been advocating
in favor of Iran, saying, "Iran's a sovereign nation. Why shouldn't Iran have nuclear weapons?"

Now I've received a message from a former combat
engineer who apparently supports the Libertarian Platform.
I'm not comparing you with or relating you to the
former anecdotes (except for Libertarian support for such behaviors), but all of the mentioned instances are saddening to me. My point is that our nation is degraded and weakened by the libertine trends and increasingly sophisticated dishonesties.

I'll leave you with the following link to disgusting political activism.

Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 29,600 [search engine hits]
for "Outright Libertarians" (Libertarian advocacy for public homosexuality)

121 posted on 09/19/2007 2:35:59 PM MDT by familyop (I'll write Duncan Hunter in.)
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To: familyop
Please...


122 posted on 09/19/2007 3:28:48 PM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: RobbyS
Many do. But I for one expect government to respect the social
compacts that we have already made by codifying them. Libertarians
think more in terms of contracts, and expect the government to enforce these.
That's not a problem as long as it's done with the established
framework of the Constitution. Too many think that if a case
can be made that something is within reach of government
control, then it matters not the means, method, or l
evel of government that does it.

123 posted on 09/19/2007 3:34:58 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
That's not true. The scenario that I presented was an
honest reaction to having read the Libertarian Platform.
 Libertarianism is most often dishonestly presented,
even with misleading theses in the Platform.
The article is about libertarianism, not the Libertarian Party.
They are no more interchangeable than democracy is
interchangeable with the Democratic Party, or
republicanism with the Republican Party.

124 posted on 09/19/2007 3:37:32 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: frogjerk
There is a big difference between suicide and homicide.


125 posted on 09/19/2007 4:19:21 PM MDT by amchugh (large and largely disgruntled)
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To: trussell
"familyop...What you did was gross misrepresentation of
the other poster's comment."

It was nothing more than an exact quote.
Jim is very good at discerning context,
when he has the time to mess with it.

"I wish you would consider standing up and
asking for the decision against gcruse to be reversed."

Here's another quotation, from "Guidelines for posting"

"Considering the range of topics we discuss,
it's hard to be a family site, but that's what
we aim for when at all possible."

I concur.

126 posted on 09/19/2007 5:37:01 PM MDT by familyop (I'll write Duncan Hunter in.)
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To: familyop; trussell
Here's another quotation, from "Guidelines for posting"
"Considering the range of topics we discuss, it's hard
to be a family site, but that's what we aim for when at all possible." I concur.
I fail to see how you can legitimately claim offense
over someone mentioning the prostitution angle when
you're the one who brought it up in the first place.

127 posted on 09/19/2007 5:40:55 PM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: JTN
"I fail to see how you can legitimately claim offense
over someone mentioning the prostitution angle when
you're the one who brought it up in the first place."

I warned others about the dangers to their children,
 of a nation that effectively abolishes certain criminal laws.
 The creep in the scenario of my first comment is the bad
guy--not anyone's kid, and not any kid's parents in such
 a hypothetical national situation of anarchy.

Young people learn from both their parents and their peers.
Where both parents are working (which situation some
authors for Reason Magazine have advocated much) and have
 their kids in public schools or bad private schools,
peer pressures can dominate.

128 posted on 09/19/2007 6:04:25 PM MDT by familyop (I'll write Duncan Hunter in.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
What laws would those be?
No laws... There's no place for realistic questions here.
In that regard, this is strictly philosophical.
If you insist I give a hypothetical- poker. Given that
it bothers somebody somewhere, the system pays lawmen
to follow a process that ultimately leads to one's
forceful detainment, fines, prison, etc.
I'd rather a pack of young Muslim men go around
enforcing Sharia. They wouldn't get very far.

129 posted on 09/19/2007 6:56:54 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
"To: Jim Robinson"

...
"And what is his entire family doing huddled around the computer?"

The false assumptions and accusations from you all are
piling up and starting to resemble an interrogation about
my family's private affairs. I can build sub-networks
in many different configurations with various operating
systems and very low costs.

"This place is starting to resemble Cal-Berkeley."

That's where the first Libertarians (now libertarians)
 crawled from to post to the Internet, before the Web
was even operational. ...and some from Stanford along
with a few neo-Nazis around Davis. I knew some of them
but did not attend Berkeley or Stanford. They were very libertine.

130 posted on 09/19/2007 7:38:59 PM MDT by familyop (Will write Duncan Hunter in.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Libertarians greatly condemn one person’s freedom
 interfering with another’s, which is what you described.
No. They only condemn one person’s freedom interfering
with another’s when it's someone else's infringing on them.
Seems to me that most libertarians are all for their own
personal freedom and don't mind imposing it on others at all.
It seems to be a very hypocritical viewpoint.

131 posted on 09/19/2007 8:36:44 PM MDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SteveMcKing
I’ll refer you to your post 41 where you write about
laws being passed from miles away, and fat sheriffs,
backed by federal agencies, enforce them.
Your last response was complete hogwash. I’ll ask again. What laws?


132 posted on 09/19/2007 9:29:06 PM MDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: metmom
BINGO!!!!


133 posted on 09/19/2007 9:32:16 PM MDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: metmom
They only condemn one person’s freedom interfering with another’s
when it's someone else's infringing on them.
That's insane. You don't speak for them anyway.

134 posted on 09/19/2007 9:34:58 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Bite me.


135 posted on 09/19/2007 9:35:21 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: frogjerk
whose individual rights are you speaking to?
mom or child?


136 posted on 09/19/2007 9:37:08 PM MDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Good, adult, mature response. Go stand in the corner for a
while. You may take your Raggedy Ann doll with you, this time.


137 posted on 09/19/2007 9:45:04 PM MDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
You summarily dismissed my post as hogwash without
addressing a single small piece of it. You can’t, for
whatever reason, you’re just mad at my “fat” comment no doubt.
I like chatting with people who can think. Not you.


138 posted on 09/19/2007 9:49:15 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: trussell; gcruse; familyop; Jim Robinson
trussell, I agree with you. familyop, gcruse did not direct
 that toward you personally. Good grief!


139 posted on 09/19/2007 9:49:27 PM MDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
But his "WHOLE FAMILY SAW THAT" !!!

140 posted on 09/19/2007 9:51:16 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: SteveMcKing
I’m sorry. Your post made no sense. In other words,
it was hogwash. In other words, it was crap. There was nothing to address.
It reminded me of some nonsense one hears in a sociology 101 class in junior college.
Yeah. I’m mad at the fat comment. LOL.


141 posted on 09/19/2007 9:53:15 PM MDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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[...]

To: EveningStar; gcruse; Jim Robinson
I’m happy to know I’m not alone here in believing gcruse is
innocent of any wrong doing, but it appears our pleas are for naught.


146 posted on 09/19/2007 10:31:00 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: tacticalogic
The Constitution was a sort of social compact, one which
respected the integrity of the several states. I’m afraid
much of that has gone blewy, because so many politicians
think of it as outdated, an obstacle to the establishment
 of a new order of things.

147 posted on 09/19/2007 11:00:46 PM MDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: EveningStar
” Posted by EveningStar to trussell; gcruse; familyop; Jim Robinson
On News/Activism 09/19/2007 8:49:27 PM PDT · 139 of 147

trussell, I agree with you. familyop, gcruse did not direct that
toward you personally. Good grief!”

gcruse wrote, “If you daughter’s a hooker, maybe you should
look closer to home for the reason.”
I’m familyop’s daughter. gcruse directed that towards me.
I don’t want gcruse resubscribed.


148 posted on 09/19/2007 11:34:18 PM MDT by familyop (Writin' code like a'ringin' a bell.)
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[...]


To: familyop
I’m familyop’s daughter. gcruse directed that towards me.
It wasn't directed at anyone. It was a hypothetical situation
 - a hypothetical situation that, I'll remind you, was first mentioned by familyop.

152 posted on 09/20/2007 5:55:03 AM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: familyop; gcruse
Family op, I have been here since 98' and can guarantee
gcruce didn't mean to insult your family.
He was saying that "if someone's daughter was a hooker,
maybe they should look closer to home".
You should have asked him to "explain himself", so you
could be clear about what he was saying before you got him banned.
What a shame you didn't.
sw

153 posted on 09/20/2007 6:02:14 AM MDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: trussell
IMHO, gcruse answered in kind. If he’s guilty of anything
it’s feeding the troll. If it stands, I’d expect to see more of it,
looking for just the right hair to split.


154 posted on 09/20/2007 6:23:30 AM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
130: The false assumptions and accusations from you all
are piling up and starting to resemble an interrogation
about my family's private affairs. I can build sub-networks
in many different configurations with various operating systems and very low costs.
Oh, oakie doakie; you is so smart youse can't figure out
how to set up a new ID for another family member who has to be insulted by remote control:
148: I’m familyop’s daughter. gcruse directed that towards me. I don’t want gcruse resubscribed.

149: Jim, the registration server is not sending logins to
new e-mail addresses. It’s returning, “Sorry, but an error
 occurred,” or something like that.
150: Oops...new registrations to new e-mail addresses, that
 is. Logins are working fine for registered users.
So, bottom line is you don't know the differences between
libertine and libertarian let alone liberal and you take
yourself so seriously in your home-schooled ignorance that
you bring yourself into well deserved public humiliation.
My advice? Apologize for either posting drunk and/or just
plain ugly, mean, nasty and stupid.

155 posted on 09/20/2007 6:28:14 AM MDT by harrowup (Gore will end the Hillbilly-Backpack sideshow by announcing in November 2007)
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To: trussell
familyop...What you did was gross misrepresentation of
the other poster's comment. I wish you would consider
standing up and asking for the decision against gcruse to be reversed.
We shall have to see whether or not that happens, and
form opinions of familyop's personal character accordingly.

160 posted on 09/20/2007 8:17:03 AM MDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: familyop
gcruse wrote, “If you daughter’s a hooker, maybe you should
look closer to home for the reason.”

I’m familyop’s daughter. gcruse directed that towards me.
I don’t want gcruse resubscribed.
Disclaimer...this post is directed at familyop, not any of familyop's family that may be huddled around the computer screen. If you feel you may find this post offensive...please quit reading now and walk away from the monitor!

The ONLY way anyone should take that personally is if they felt
guilty for it being the truth. You are being childish, immature
and completely unreasonable. You got a long time freeper banned
because your reading comprehension skills lack something.
gcruse was answering your post where you were pondering the
possibility of some semi-naked, crack smoking, gun toting liberal
forcing the nation's precious daughters into prostitution.
He was only saying if the nation's precious daughters
were in the position to be forced into that...it's probably
because the parents should have done something different in the home.

161 posted on 09/20/2007 8:29:27 AM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: steve-b
Keep reading steve. You’ll see that the family of familyop
is completely unremorseful for the unfair banning they caused.


162 posted on 09/20/2007 8:34:26 AM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: familyop
Now you drag your daughter to your keyboard!
There are various words for so-called ‘family men’, few of them postable here, evidently.
Have a great day, and contemplate better men than yourself.


163 posted on 09/20/2007 8:45:55 AM MDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: familyop
Imagine such “freedom,” where your neighbor/supervisor/master is
wearing no pants and has a crack pipe in his mouth while loading
his 50 caliber machine gun and demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him.
Seriously - you post this crap, and then complain when someone responds to YOUR imagery???
Be a man - take responsibility!

164 posted on 09/20/2007 8:51:30 AM MDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: headsonpikes
We don’t even know that for sure. You’ve been here long enough to
have seen people turn out not to be who they claim.


165 posted on 09/20/2007 8:59:02 AM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
True enough - I was just blooded up by the chicken***t style of this exchange.


166 posted on 09/20/2007 9:15:28 AM MDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: headsonpikes
Let ‘em get your goat, and your account may go with it.


167 posted on 09/20/2007 9:34:04 AM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: JTN
Libertarianism is the best political philosophy,
but it requires a sense of personal responsibility
 and an IQ over 100. Stupid people require clear,
simple rules to follow, or they will end up damaging
themselves and others.
The challenge is how to build a society with clear,
simple rules for the stupid without infringing on the
rights of the intelligent. We've been struggling with
one-size-fits-all laws for a while now, and no one is satisfied.

168 posted on 09/20/2007 9:57:00 AM MDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: trussell; familyop
Thank you, trussell.
I was going to compose my own reply to familyop’s
daughter but then I read your excellent reply and
decided not to do so.
I would only add that familyop’s daughter has been
fueled by some immature, dishonest adults on this board.


169 posted on 09/20/2007 10:08:21 AM MDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar; Jim Robinson; gcruse; familyop
Just wish we could get Jim Robinson to realize how
 this was blown out of proportion! gcruse didn’t deserve to be banned.


170 posted on 09/20/2007 10:23:09 AM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
LOL, good on ya!


171 posted on 09/20/2007 10:29:43 AM MDT by jwalsh07
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To: tacticalogic
You’ve been here long enough to have seen people turn out not to be who they claim.
On the internet nobody knows you're a dog.

172 posted on 09/20/2007 10:38:41 AM MDT by cryptical ("The future is already here; it's just not evenly distributed." - William Gibson)
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To: DesScorp; All
I really wish the Libertarians would go start their own site.
Since this has become a hate-libertarian site I wonder if posting
 this link get my account pulled?

173 posted on 09/20/2007 10:43:08 AM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I agree. Having just noticed this thread, my reading of
gcruse’s statement was that it was generic in nature.
I don’t think he should have been banned. And I’m someone
who is often quite critical of libertarianism,
a philosophy I believe to be flawed, though well-meaning.


174 posted on 09/20/2007 10:53:01 AM MDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations.)
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To: DesScorp
Marxists seek to destroy all centers of authority other than the
state. That’s why they war with tradition, family, and religion.
The problem with libertarianism is that it helps the left destroy
the authority of local government to maintain traditional
standards based on concern for family and so forth, but
it’s powerless to stop the expanding federal leviathan, which
 in fact is enhanced by libertine behavior.


175 posted on 09/20/2007 11:07:09 AM MDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations.)
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To: familyop
Personally I think you should do the Christian thing and give
cruse the benefit of the doubt. I say this as a Christian
conservative who has had his share of disagreements with cruse
 on the issues and as one who thinks that libertarians
adhering to “non initiation of force” as the prime directive
while being OK with the initiation of force on the unborn by Mom is a cruel joke.

176 posted on 09/20/2007 11:13:55 AM MDT by jwalsh07
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To: familyop
I really think you should reconsider your complaint against gcruse.
His comment was clearly generic, not personally directed at your family.
We all need to have thick skins when posting on discussion forums.


177 posted on 09/20/2007 11:20:49 AM MDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations.)
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[...]


To: familyop
The scenario that I presented [below] was an honest reaction to having
read the Libertarian Platform.
Libertarianism is most often dishonestly presented, even
with misleading theses in the Platform.
Imagine such 'freedom,' where your neighbor/supervisor/master
 is wearing no pants and has a crack pipe in his mouth while loading his 50 caliber machine gun and demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him.
You imagine that libertarians are advocating a 'freedom' where
 "- your neighbor/supervisor/master is wearing no pants and has
 a crack pipe in his mouth while loading his 50 caliber machine
 gun and demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him -"?

Is it possible you are letting your imagination carry you into hyperbole a bit?

183 posted on 09/20/2007 12:28:29 PM MDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: familyop; EveningStar; Jim Robinson; gcruse
My whole family saw that. Are you going to handle it,
or will we take care of it?(emphasis added)

I'm curious as to how familyop planned on "handling it".
That sounds suspiciously like a threat to me. Why is responding
to a (stupid) hypothetical question grounds for being
banned but threats are completely ignored?

185 posted on 09/20/2007 12:46:45 PM MDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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[...]


To: tpaine; familyop
Be careful with this one, tpaine! If you repeat his
words back to him, his family becomes very upset and
starts making vague threats to “take care of it”.


192 posted on 09/20/2007 1:56:23 PM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: steve-b
You have it completely ass backwards. If people were perfect angels,
government could be trusted with power. Since people are corrupt,
government must be limited to the minimum necessary-evil level
of power (i.e. just sufficient to keep the public peace, and no more).
Steve. It's both. If people were angels, we wouldn't need a government.
But we could safely have one because we could trust them to run the government wisely.
OTOH, people being what they are, they make bad decisions that,
collectively, impact the entire society profoundly and its ability
to exist as a society AND they cannot be trusted to act as wise rulers.
That's why it's messy.

193 posted on 09/20/2007 2:25:01 PM MDT by ModelBreaker
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To: MEGoody
For example, I'm sure they never imagined that abortion on
demand would be made legal.
The founders left the governance of moral issues to the
states. So they did address the abortion-on-demand in
terms of how it should be handled.

194 posted on 09/20/2007 2:28:08 PM MDT by ModelBreaker
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To: harrowup; familyop
So, bottom line is you don't know the differences between
libertine and libertarian let alone liberal and you take
yourself so seriously in your home-schooled ignorance that
you bring yourself into well deserved public humiliation.
My advice? Apologize for either posting drunk and/or just
plain ugly, mean, nasty and stupid.
I've perused familyop's posting history and found nothing in
 it that even comes close to the slander heaped against him here:
 *ignorant*? *drunk*? *just plain ugly, mean, nasty and stupid*?
familyop doesn't engage in that kind of posting style towards others.
But what can be said for YOUR comments?
When can we expect you to apologize for them?

195 posted on 09/20/2007 3:00:29 PM MDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: All
What's this?

Quote from comment #2:

"2 posted on 07/23/2003 3:33:20 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.blogspot.com/)"

Links on that blog page:

“Young Girls XXX Porn Pictures”
“Girls [expletive] Eating”

Follow the “View my complete profile” link, and you’ll see
other blogs apparently (according to the person's blog) by
the same person, some with the same kinds of links.

What's going on there? Who is that?

196 posted on 09/20/2007 3:22:21 PM MDT by familyop
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To: metmom
I posted links and questions about a blog in comment #196, just after your last comment. Is that a libertarian site?

197 posted on 09/20/2007 3:27:28 PM MDT by familyop
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To: familyop
Sounds like some sick stuff, I wouldn’t click on that.


198 posted on 09/20/2007 3:31:08 PM MDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: DesScorp
I really wish the Libertarians would go start their own site.
If supporters of socialist, pro-abortion Republicans can post
here then so can Libertarians. Libertarians are pro-limited
gov't, low taxes, and pro-2nd Amendment. Egads, what do you
think make up most of conservatism anyway? Most Libertarians
are also pro-life and aren't the stereotype you make them out to be.

199 posted on 09/20/2007 3:35:14 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: familyop
Is that a libertarian site?
No, it's not. It's just a sick site.
(OMG I said "sick!" Please don't contact the Mods on me)

200 posted on 09/20/2007 3:37:33 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: darkangel82
"Sounds like some sick stuff, I wouldn’t click on that."

Yes, but it does resemble someone's
wishful thinking about a kid in comment #6:
"If you daughter’s a hooker, maybe you
should look closer to home for the reason."

And why are so many flaming folks in this thread
so emotionally sympathizing with that?

201 posted on 09/20/2007 3:39:23 PM MDT by familyop
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To: familyop
What's going on there? Who is that?
I smell a rat. It appears the page has been
there since 2005, but virtually everthing that's
there was put there in the last 24 hours. Of the few
comments posted, they are all grammatically similar
enough that they look like they were all posted by the same person.

202 posted on 09/20/2007 3:45:48 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
"but virtually everthing that's there was put there in the last 24 hours."

Oh, really. And how would you know that?
BTW, I sent the links to Jim very nearly 24 hours ago.

Whose site is that?

203 posted on 09/20/2007 3:53:10 PM MDT by familyop
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To: familyop
Blogs posts and replies are timestamped.


204 posted on 09/20/2007 3:54:43 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
"Blogs posts and replies are timestamped."

So someone removed that content and reposted it after we
gathered the links and quotes? That's very interesting.

205 posted on 09/20/2007 3:57:03 PM MDT by familyop
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To: trussell
I’m happy to know I’m not alone here in believing gcruse
is innocent of any wrong doing, but it appears our pleas are for naught.

Ditto for me - he was always a reasonable guy.

206 posted on 09/20/2007 3:58:40 PM MDT by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God - Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: familyop
You do realize that blogspots are like any other internet
account...when one person is no longer using it, and choses to
 close it down...after a period of time it becomes available
 to the public again?
Why do you have it out for this guy? Why are you doing
everything you can to ruin him? You are malicious,
and if you are trying to pass yourself off as “Christian”,
you should reevaluate yourself, and work to correct your own shortcomings.
BTW...You are the first one to have “wishful thinking”
over a child forced into prostitution in post 4


207 posted on 09/20/2007 4:11:08 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: familyop
Either that, or nothing there has been updated in about 2 years.
Is there any evidence that this apparently abandoned blog is the
same person you've recently had a difference of opinion with other than the string "gcruse"?

208 posted on 09/20/2007 4:17:01 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
Either that, or nothing there has been updated in about 2 years.
Is there any evidence that this apparently abandoned
blog is the same person you've recently had a
difference of opinion with other than the string "gcruse"?

209 posted on 09/20/2007 4:17:12 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
I've perused familyop's posting history and found
nothing in it that even comes close to the slander
heaped against him here: *ignorant*? *drunk*?
*just plain ugly, mean, nasty and stupid*? familyop doesn't engage in that kind of posting style towards others.

Actually he does (since you brought it up).

He has written a lot of hateful things against Catholics which border on the bizarre.

210 posted on 09/20/2007 4:22:07 PM MDT by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God - Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: familyop
What's going on there? Who is that?
When you posted this did you see the post by gcruse
in 2003 that he was moving his blog to typemate, where
it has been ever since? Did you note that the blog that
now occupies that url at blogspot was created in 2005?

216 posted on 09/20/2007 4:41:39 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
You are treading on shaky ground now tacticalogic...
you have shown familyop to be *cough, choke* WRONG.
They (the familyop family) will be out to get you
banned for your daring to post that!


219 posted on 09/20/2007 4:55:29 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: tacticalogic
No, I didn't. Let's see..."typemate." Do you mean typepad?
Is the following what you're referring to?

"http://gcruse.typepad.com/"

Whoah! They look like advertisements for "Goddess within
offering health and beauty products," playground equipment,
toddlers' clothes, and other objects?

That looks pretty weird, too, IMO. Where are you leading us with this?

220 posted on 09/20/2007 4:57:07 PM MDT by familyop
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To: Hacksaw; familyop
I went back through the last dozen or so pages of his
posting history and found only two posts that were
even related to religion and neither of them even came
close to being hateful of bizarre.


222 posted on 09/20/2007 4:58:04 PM MDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: trussell; familyop
We’ll see how it goes down. From where I’m standing
it appears he’s knowingly posted a link to a blog
containing profanity and links to scat/porn web sites
on the forum for the purpose of trying to link that site to
and smear another member he’s had a disagreement with.
If I’m going to get blasted for saying so, so be it.


225 posted on 09/20/2007 5:03:31 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
Sorry. Yes that's it.
A quick search on Google returns 14,800 hits for "gcruse".
It doesn't take long to figure out there are several people
out there using that moniker. The announcement of the change
of blogs two years before the creation of the one you provided
the link to stands as evidence that the author of that blog and
"gcruse" you've had a disagreement with are probably not the same person.

226 posted on 09/20/2007 5:07:45 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
I’m also finding it pretty disgusting that besides
sending this to Jim Robinson, you pull it out on a
public forum when gcruse isn’t here to defend himself.


228 posted on 09/20/2007 5:11:48 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; metmom; American Quilter
tacticalogic wrote:
"I’m also finding it pretty disgusting that besides sending
this to Jim Robinson, you pull it out on a public forum
when gcruse isn’t here to defend himself."

You're not disgusted. None of you are. We should all see
what your cowardly, perverted, little rat pack is saying
 about a child and about Jim "on a public forum."

<a href="http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=200518">
<span style="font-weight: bold;">http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=200518</span></a>

And here on the Free Republic discussion board, you're intentions
and type of advocacy are transparent.

230 posted on 09/20/2007 5:26:53 PM MDT by familyop
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To: SauronOfMordor

"It's not immorality that will destroy the family.
The government will. Welfare reduces any need for
women to get married to a stable, hard-working man
 before having children. The current divorce laws
make it easy for women to bail on a marriage
(most divorces are initiated by women)."

The government is certainly doing its part, but in large part
 because those policies encourage vice rather than restrict and punish it.

231 posted on 09/20/2007 5:30:10 PM MDT by DesScorp
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To: tacticalogic; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; metmom; American Quilter

You’ll see that the perversions and insults in this thread were taken to that site.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=200518


232 posted on 09/20/2007 5:30:39 PM MDT by familyop
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To: DesScorp
When you get a chance, click on the link and read the entire
Reagan interview with Reason. I think you might be a little surprised.


233 posted on 09/20/2007 5:32:02 PM MDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: familyop
I don’t post there. How many more lies do you have up your sleeve?


234 posted on 09/20/2007 5:32:24 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DesScorp
Timothy McVeigh was a registered Republican. Ted Bundy worked
on the campaign for a Republican governor of Washington. They
are certainly more nefarious than the people you list as example
of Libertarians. What does that say about the Republican party?


235 posted on 09/20/2007 5:32:53 PM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: familyop
I’ll say it again. You’ve knowiingly posted a link to a blog
containing profanity and links to scat/porn web sites on this
forum for the purpose of trying to link that site to, and smear
another member you’ve had a disagreement with, without any
discernible evidence there is any link between the two.


236 posted on 09/20/2007 5:37:05 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
“You’re not disgusted. None of you are. We should all see
what your cowardly, perverted, little rat pack is saying
about a child and about Jim “on a public forum.”
Yeah, that stuff seems to be par for the course for places
 like LibertyPost and LibertyForum....basically, they sound
 like Kossacks that happen to like guns and money. Otherwise,
 they’d be right at home at Markos’ place.


237 posted on 09/20/2007 5:37:47 PM MDT by DesScorp
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To: familyop
Well familyop, now I'm jealous. You're famous in cyberspace.:-)
In case we ever have a disagreement in the future...just remember, please....

Don't taser me, bro!

238 posted on 09/20/2007 5:39:08 PM MDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: familyop
It appears you are avoiding my questions. You are no Christian...
if you were, you would admit your mistake and set out to fix the
problems you caused. Instead, you just bury yourself deeper and
deeper in your lies and innuendos.
Take care to not let your pride keep you from claiming your
place in heaven. Sure would hate to believe you allowed it to
o one day too long, and missed your chance to right the wrongs
you participated in.


241 posted on 09/20/2007 5:45:18 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: tacticalogic
Did you know that familyop is an avowed prosthetician? Go here!

242 posted on 09/20/2007 5:49:41 PM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: DesScorp
In the Libertarian Party, the inmates run the asylum.
Without using a search engine can you even name who is running the Libertarian Party?

243 posted on 09/20/2007 5:51:23 PM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: familyop
That link is the same as the one you posted before.
Do you have a correct link? I want to see if someone
there said anything about me. Anything...
They can call me a jackass, call me a genius, just
don’t ignore me. Show me some love. Nothing worse
 than being ignored or being invisible. You should
be proud. You’ve made a name for yourself.


244 posted on 09/20/2007 5:53:23 PM MDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: GSWarrior
Can’t wait to find out what all I’m into.


245 posted on 09/20/2007 5:54:30 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GSWarrior
“Without using a search engine can you even name
who is running the Libertarian Party?”
I don’t have to know. I’ve read their party platform.
By their fruits ye shall know them. And their nuts, too...


246 posted on 09/20/2007 5:59:43 PM MDT by DesScorp
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To: tacticalogic; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; metmom
Ah, go back to your darwincentral. It appears that
someone is continuing this thread there, too.

247 posted on 09/20/2007 6:06:05 PM MDT by familyop
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To: familyop
Haven't been there to go back to.
What's the next lie in the queue?

248 posted on 09/20/2007 6:07:15 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
There are a lot of flame sessions against Free Republic at darwincentral.


249 posted on 09/20/2007 6:08:54 PM MDT by familyop
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To: DesScorp
It’s been fun debating, but I think it’s time for me to bow out of this thread.


250 posted on 09/20/2007 6:12:30 PM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: familyop
Maybe so. FR has a site policy of not dragging arguments with another
poster from one thread to another. What makes you think dragging an
argument from another site, with someone that isn’t even
involved is a good thing to do?


251 posted on 09/20/2007 6:14:13 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
Did you get a taste of blood, and figure if you can make
it look like I’m responsible for those threads on
other sites you can get my account, too?


252 posted on 09/20/2007 6:18:25 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop; Jim Robinson; Neil E. Wright

You're not disgusted. None of you are. We should all see
what your cowardly, perverted, little rat pack is saying
about a child and about Jim "on a public forum."
I have never, and will never say anything negative about
Jim Robinson! He knows that, and I am insulted that you
would even insinuate that I would do such a thing towards a
man I consider to be a wonderful friend!
Jim and his wife are friends of mine!! I demand an apology!

253 posted on 09/20/2007 6:21:29 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: familyop
You ever seen a monkey with a razor blade?


254 posted on 09/20/2007 6:22:39 PM MDT by jedward (I'm not sure you meant, what I understand...or maybe you did.)
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To: frogjerk
Why would the majority of people of a certain view who
champion the absolute rights of individuals be for abortion or euthanasia?
That's why the pro-life libertarians are the consistent ones.

255 posted on 09/20/2007 6:26:18 PM MDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Oh, Geesh, not THIS crap AGAIN?!?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
ROOTY!!!


256 posted on 09/20/2007 6:26:44 PM MDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Oh, Geesh, not THIS crap AGAIN?!?)
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Libertarianism vs. the Family - Can civilization survive freedom? ^
Posted by familyop to trussell
On RLC Liberty Caucus ^ 09/20/2007 6:36:35 PM MDT · 257 of 257 ^

"I have never, and will never say anything negative about
Jim Robinson! He knows that, and I am insulted that you
would even insinuate that I would do such a thing towards
 a man I consider to be a wonderful friend!

Jim and his wife are friends of mine!! I demand an apology!"

BS. Apologize for supporting your friends' accusations all
over the Net that a child is a "hooker".


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