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Libertarianism vs. the Family - Can civilization survive freedom?
reason ^ | September 18, 2007 | Brian Doherty
Posted on 09/18/2007 8:09:27 PM MDT by JTN
In the September issue of Commentary, Kay Hymowitz surveys
libertarianism in the form of a review essay on my book,
Radicals for Capitalism: A Freewheeling History of the
Modern American Libertarian Movement, and reason contributing
 editor Brink Lindsey’s book The Age of Abundance:
How Prosperity Transformed America’s Politics and Culture
(excerpted in our July issue).
The right-wing joust at libertarianism has a long tradition,
and Hymowitz’s starts off kinder than most. She credits

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1 posted on 09/18/2007 8:09:32 PM MDT by JTN
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To: traviskicks
Ping


2 posted on 09/18/2007 8:10:08 PM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: JTN
"Freedom is good... as long as you obey."

3 posted on 09/18/2007 8:16:36 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: JTN
Imagine such “freedom,” where your neighbor/supervisor/master
is wearing no pants and has a crack pipe in his mouth while
loading his 50 caliber machine gun and demanding that your
daughters work as prostitutes for him.


4 posted on 09/18/2007 8:20:54 PM MDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: familyop
Libertarians greatly condemn one person’s freedom interfering with
another’s, which is what you described.


5 posted on 09/18/2007 8:24:32 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: familyop
What an amazing mischaracterization of libertarianism.
Not too good on the Second Amendment either. Libertarians
aren’t into ‘forcing’ anybody to do much of anything.
If your daughter’s a hooker, maybe you should look closer to home for the reason.


6 posted on 09/18/2007 8:27:01 PM MDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Are Libertarians for or against abortion?


7 posted on 09/18/2007 8:28:17 PM MDT by frogjerk (If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
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To: familyop
where your neighbor/supervisor/master is wearing no pants
and has a crack pipe in his mouth while loading his 50 caliber
machine gun and demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him.
ROFL. I knew it wouldn't take long for the first
knee-jerk anti-Libertarian post to occur.

8 posted on 09/18/2007 8:29:43 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: frogjerk
Libertarians are not monolithic on abortion. Probably
most are at least partly pro-choice, but there is a significant
pro-life segment to the movement. I refer you to Libertarians for Life.

9 posted on 09/18/2007 8:30:35 PM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: frogjerk
Are Libertarians for or against abortion?
Some are, some aren't. So?

10 posted on 09/18/2007 8:31:28 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: frogjerk
Abortion is a uniquely controversial issue. Among libertarians,
this debate consists of multiple questions, including:
· whether abortion should be illegal
· if so, at what level of government this should be enforced
· whether or not the government should fund abortions
The vast majority of libertarians are agreed on the latter question, believing that government should not fund personal activity, especially activity of such a controversial nature. However, as to whether abortion should be legal, they are split as equally as the mainstream.[1] Many libertarians believe that a woman's ownership of her own body, and therefore her right to control it, includes her right to terminate her pregnancy without any interference. Others believe the fetus has a human right to life, and that an abortion is the initiation of fatal force against a helpless victim.
From Wikipedia

11 posted on 09/18/2007 8:31:41 PM MDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: familyop
Imagine such “freedom,” where your neighbor/supervisor/master
is wearing no pants and has a crack pipe in his mouth while
loading his 50 caliber machine gun and demanding that your
daughters work as prostitutes for him.
You say that like it is a bad thing.
My daughter would never do anything like that.

37 posted on 09/18/2007 8:58:58 PM MDT by elkfersupper
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To: gcruse; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; American Quilter
gcruse wrote:
"If you daughter’s a hooker, maybe you should look closer to home for the reason."

Jim Robinson:

My whole family saw that. Are you going to handle it, or will we take care of it?

38 posted on 09/18/2007 9:08:02 PM MDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: SteveMcKing
That’s a good thought.
I’ve always marveled how Marxists believe Government is God
while the Taliban believe God is Government.


39 posted on 09/18/2007 9:09:50 PM MDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: familyop
He’s no longer with us.


40 posted on 09/18/2007 9:10:21 PM MDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: ModelBreaker
Then me and my conservative Christian friends get out our brown
shirts, jack-boots, and guns and shoot you. You know, of course,
that Christians are required to keep a set of the above hidden
in the backs of their closets, don't you?

That would be far preferable to the current practice. Right now,
you simply pass laws from miles away and then get the police to
 do just what you described.
One stands a much better chance against "brown shirts" than a
fat sheriff backed by numerous federal agencies.

41 posted on 09/18/2007 9:10:46 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: familyop
Apologies to your lovely family.


42 posted on 09/18/2007 9:11:08 PM MDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: frogjerk
Some libertarians you mean.
So what all followers of a political ideology aren't going to be
perfect. You mind explaining to me why some Republicans are
pro-abortion and support other socialist views?

43 posted on 09/18/2007 9:12:24 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: familyop
"My whole family saw that. Are you going to handle it,
 or will we take care of it?"

Maybe you shouldn't project your computer screen onto an 8 x 20 foot wall.
Or, maybe you shouldn't lie to Jim Robinson.

44 posted on 09/18/2007 9:14:22 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: familyop; Jim Robinson
Jim, you gotta be kidding me. All the poster did
was use an example. I’m sure he didn’t mean it personally to the poster.


45 posted on 09/18/2007 9:14:44 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: familyop
You know the poster didn’t mean that, in that context.
Thanks for getting a long-time FReeper banned.


46 posted on 09/18/2007 9:15:51 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: Jim Robinson
And we all saw your reply. Thank you.


[...]

To: familyop
I don’t know if there is any previous history between
you and gcruse. Maybe there is something that I’m missing.
Reading that post, it appears to me as a neutral observer
 that it was clearly meant to be generic and figurative.
For example, does he even know that you have a daughter
 or not? For all he knows you could be a 20 year old unmarried college student with no children.
I don’t think it was personal at all.
I’m sorry if you took offense. I understand. I wouldn’t
 stand by while somebody slandered a family member.
But I really don’t think that it was meant in a
hurtful personal way. Just my opinion.
FRegards.


52 posted on 09/18/2007 9:27:48 PM MDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: familyop; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
Imagine such “freedom,” where your neighbor/supervisor/master is wearing no pants and has a crack pipe in his mouth while loading his 50 caliber machine gun and demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him. I am letting you know that both my pantsless neighbor and my crack smoking supervisor saw that. The are incensed at the insinuation that they may be pimps. Now, are you going to do something about it, or should they? (Keep in mind, they both have 50 caliber machine guns, and my boss is out of crack...)

64 posted on 09/18/2007 11:35:32 PM MDT by DawrinCentral
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To: Darksheare
What do you think is it a T or a Z
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1898700/posts?page=64#64


65 posted on 09/19/2007 12:30:59 AM MDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: restornu
I think it’s an IATZ lol.


66 posted on 09/19/2007 1:15:42 AM MDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: darkangel82
Well it is gone now BTW I did check earlier
and that was the one and only post!


67 posted on 09/19/2007 1:35:21 AM MDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: darkangel82
Can you imagine someone going through all
that effort to sign up and to get Zap on the first post!
BTW what is IATZ and ITA?


68 posted on 09/19/2007 1:38:48 AM MDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: DawrinCentral; familyop; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
I am letting you know that both my pantsless neighbor and
my crack smoking supervisor saw that. The are incensed at
 the insinuation that they may be pimps. Now, are you going
 to do something about it, or should they? (Keep in mind,
they both have 50 caliber machine guns, and my boss is out of crack...)
I would like to point out that I also saw that and that I
often load my 50 caliber machine gun while reading Free Republic (sometimes pantless, sometimes not). So, I would therefore like familyop banned, since I haven't pimped for quite some time and have been deeply offended by the comment. Or, perhaps, gcruse could just be reinstated and we could call it even.

69 posted on 09/19/2007 2:11:29 AM MDT by BearArms (Arm yourself because no one else here will save you)
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To: ModelBreaker
Even were your logic sound, so what?
An argument can't be any better than the premise
it's based on. If "family" exists in the absence
of authoritarian government, or in the presence of
libertarian society then the premise of libertarianism
being opposed to family is questionable, and the
entire argument along with it.


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To: familyop
You bait the thread with inflammatory nonsense to
take offense in an appropriate reply? This is sad.
BTW - I was also a Combat Engineer and can’t recall any so sensitive as you.


73 posted on 09/19/2007 6:01:03 AM MDT by decimon
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To: familyop
demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him.

This would be considered pimping which is not a victimless crime.

83 posted on 09/19/2007 6:51:13 AM MDT by jackieaxe
(I'm voting for Ron Paul in spite of the Neocon/Big Government Republican propaganda!)
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To: familyop
I can’t believe you took offense at a comment
that was obviously not meant to speak to your personal situation.
Get a life and grow a thicker skin.


87 posted on 09/19/2007 7:19:09 AM MDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: gcruse; familyop; Jim Robinson
What an amazing mischaracterization of libertarianism.
 Not too good on the Second Amendment either. Libertarians
aren’t into ‘forcing’ anybody to do much of anything.
If you daughter’s a hooker, maybe you should look closer
to home for the reason.

Good heavens Jim...banning a long time freeper for a
figurative YOUR? I'm certain this person didn't intend
to insinuate that familyop's daughter was a hooker.
familyop...What you did was gross misrepresentation
of the other poster's comment. I wish you would consider
standing up and asking for the decision against gcruse to be reversed.

98 posted on 09/19/2007 9:26:27 AM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Concerning gcruse....I think you overreacted a little, FWIW.


99 posted on 09/19/2007 9:46:00 AM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: Jim Robinson; familyop
Add my voice to the list of those who think the
banning of gcruse was a gross overreaction. It was
familyop who originally brought up the "daughter as
prostitution" angle (see comment #4). If he didn't
want to discuss that subject, then he shouldn't have mentioned it.

114 posted on 09/19/2007 11:23:09 AM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: frogjerk
Depends on whom you talk to, but here’s how it
roughly breaks down. (And I’m talking about the
Libertarian Party, the most orthodox of orthodox,
not “small-l” libertarians.)
* I’d say about 33%, and growing, believe life
begins at conception and should be protected throughout (including myself)
* Close to 100% think Roe v Wade should be
overturned because it’s not a federal issue.
* 100% are opposed to any funding for Planned Parenthood.


115 posted on 09/19/2007 11:23:32 AM MDT by VirginiaConstitutionalist (Socialized medicine kills.)
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To: tacticalogic
Well, you're right about some social conservatives striding too
unreflectively from social criticism to political policymaking.
I hope I stride reflectively :^)
...but I take your point.
An example would be: what you could call "private" lying
(excluding fraud, breach of contract, libel.) Another example:
 truly private vice (by consenting adultoids in their very own private kinkorama.) For such things, the invasions of privacy needed to discover and prosecute the offenses, would arguably create evils outweighing the original offenses.
And they can and should be criticized adequately by moral teaching and social satire.

116 posted on 09/19/2007 11:30:13 AM MDT by Mrs. Don-o (An honest man is the noblest work of God.)
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To: Jim Robinson
So someone responds to a ridiculously hypothetical
situation with a hypothetical response, and gets
banned because someone’s feelings were hurt?
And what is his entire family doing huddled around the computer?
This place is starting to resemble Cal-Berkeley.


117 posted on 09/19/2007 11:30:37 AM MDT by VirginiaConstitutionalist (Socialized medicine kills.)
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
And what is his entire family doing huddled around the computer?
And how did his family miss the original comment?
This whole situation is just weird.

118 posted on 09/19/2007 11:40:46 AM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist; JTN; familyop; Jim Robinson
I’d wager the whole family saw the comment because
the poster said something like “OMG...look what
this creep had the audacity to say about us,
I’m gonna threaten Jim Robinson that he better do
something about it or WE WILL”
Again Jim...please notice it was familyop that
 brought up the hooker scenario first.


119 posted on 09/19/2007 12:19:56 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: tacticalogic
Many do. But I for one expect government to respect the social
compacts that we have already made by codifying them. Libertarians think more in terms of contracts, and expect the government to enforce these.


120 posted on 09/19/2007 1:30:42 PM MDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: decimon
"You bait the thread with inflammatory nonsense to take
offense in an appropriate reply? This is sad."

That's not true. The scenario that I presented was an
honest reaction to having read the Libertarian Platform.
 Libertarianism is most often dishonestly presented,
even with misleading theses in the Platform.

http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml

"BTW - I was also a Combat Engineer and can’t recall any so sensitive as you."

That's not true. The comment was not made about me.

Maybe I shouldn't so routinely display anything about my
service then. I saw a woman who was in a construction type
("combat heavy") of combat engineer unit and had "mom"
tattooed on her bicep. A platoon sergeant in a National
Guard combat engineer unit (combat--not construction)
had transferred from the Navy and done the quickie
combat engineer school for transfers. He was a social worker.
 He hated men and whole families. The enlisted dope
 smokers in that unit were promoted first. Each of
his platoon members left as soon as their enlistments
 expired. A neighbor of mine was a combat engineer
 (cbt.--not construction). He's been advocating
in favor of Iran, saying, "Iran's a sovereign nation. Why shouldn't Iran have nuclear weapons?"

Now I've received a message from a former combat
engineer who apparently supports the Libertarian Platform.
I'm not comparing you with or relating you to the
former anecdotes (except for Libertarian support for such behaviors), but all of the mentioned instances are saddening to me. My point is that our nation is degraded and weakened by the libertine trends and increasingly sophisticated dishonesties.

I'll leave you with the following link to disgusting political activism.

Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 29,600 [search engine hits]
for "Outright Libertarians" (Libertarian advocacy for public homosexuality)

121 posted on 09/19/2007 2:35:59 PM MDT by familyop (I'll write Duncan Hunter in.)
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To: familyop
Please...


122 posted on 09/19/2007 3:28:48 PM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: RobbyS
Many do. But I for one expect government to respect the social
compacts that we have already made by codifying them. Libertarians
think more in terms of contracts, and expect the government to enforce these.
That's not a problem as long as it's done with the established
framework of the Constitution. Too many think that if a case
can be made that something is within reach of government
control, then it matters not the means, method, or l
evel of government that does it.

123 posted on 09/19/2007 3:34:58 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
That's not true. The scenario that I presented was an
honest reaction to having read the Libertarian Platform.
 Libertarianism is most often dishonestly presented,
even with misleading theses in the Platform.
The article is about libertarianism, not the Libertarian Party.
They are no more interchangeable than democracy is
interchangeable with the Democratic Party, or
republicanism with the Republican Party.

124 posted on 09/19/2007 3:37:32 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: frogjerk
There is a big difference between suicide and homicide.


125 posted on 09/19/2007 4:19:21 PM MDT by amchugh (large and largely disgruntled)
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To: trussell
"familyop...What you did was gross misrepresentation of
the other poster's comment."

It was nothing more than an exact quote.
Jim is very good at discerning context,
when he has the time to mess with it.

"I wish you would consider standing up and
asking for the decision against gcruse to be reversed."

Here's another quotation, from "Guidelines for posting"

"Considering the range of topics we discuss,
it's hard to be a family site, but that's what
we aim for when at all possible."

I concur.

126 posted on 09/19/2007 5:37:01 PM MDT by familyop (I'll write Duncan Hunter in.)
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To: familyop; trussell
Here's another quotation, from "Guidelines for posting"
"Considering the range of topics we discuss, it's hard
to be a family site, but that's what we aim for when at all possible." I concur.
I fail to see how you can legitimately claim offense
over someone mentioning the prostitution angle when
you're the one who brought it up in the first place.

127 posted on 09/19/2007 5:40:55 PM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: JTN
"I fail to see how you can legitimately claim offense
over someone mentioning the prostitution angle when
you're the one who brought it up in the first place."

I warned others about the dangers to their children,
 of a nation that effectively abolishes certain criminal laws.
 The creep in the scenario of my first comment is the bad
guy--not anyone's kid, and not any kid's parents in such
 a hypothetical national situation of anarchy.

Young people learn from both their parents and their peers.
Where both parents are working (which situation some
authors for Reason Magazine have advocated much) and have
 their kids in public schools or bad private schools,
peer pressures can dominate.

128 posted on 09/19/2007 6:04:25 PM MDT by familyop (I'll write Duncan Hunter in.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
What laws would those be?
No laws... There's no place for realistic questions here.
In that regard, this is strictly philosophical.
If you insist I give a hypothetical- poker. Given that
it bothers somebody somewhere, the system pays lawmen
to follow a process that ultimately leads to one's
forceful detainment, fines, prison, etc.
I'd rather a pack of young Muslim men go around
enforcing Sharia. They wouldn't get very far.

129 posted on 09/19/2007 6:56:54 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
"To: Jim Robinson"

...
"And what is his entire family doing huddled around the computer?"

The false assumptions and accusations from you all are
piling up and starting to resemble an interrogation about
my family's private affairs. I can build sub-networks
in many different configurations with various operating
systems and very low costs.

"This place is starting to resemble Cal-Berkeley."

That's where the first Libertarians (now libertarians)
 crawled from to post to the Internet, before the Web
was even operational. ...and some from Stanford along
with a few neo-Nazis around Davis. I knew some of them
but did not attend Berkeley or Stanford. They were very libertine.

130 posted on 09/19/2007 7:38:59 PM MDT by familyop (Will write Duncan Hunter in.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Libertarians greatly condemn one person’s freedom
 interfering with another’s, which is what you described.
No. They only condemn one person’s freedom interfering
with another’s when it's someone else's infringing on them.
Seems to me that most libertarians are all for their own
personal freedom and don't mind imposing it on others at all.
It seems to be a very hypocritical viewpoint.

131 posted on 09/19/2007 8:36:44 PM MDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SteveMcKing
I’ll refer you to your post 41 where you write about
laws being passed from miles away, and fat sheriffs,
backed by federal agencies, enforce them.
Your last response was complete hogwash. I’ll ask again. What laws?


132 posted on 09/19/2007 9:29:06 PM MDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: metmom
BINGO!!!!


133 posted on 09/19/2007 9:32:16 PM MDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: metmom
They only condemn one person’s freedom interfering with another’s
when it's someone else's infringing on them.
That's insane. You don't speak for them anyway.

134 posted on 09/19/2007 9:34:58 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Bite me.


135 posted on 09/19/2007 9:35:21 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: frogjerk
whose individual rights are you speaking to?
mom or child?


136 posted on 09/19/2007 9:37:08 PM MDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Good, adult, mature response. Go stand in the corner for a
while. You may take your Raggedy Ann doll with you, this time.


137 posted on 09/19/2007 9:45:04 PM MDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
You summarily dismissed my post as hogwash without
addressing a single small piece of it. You can’t, for
whatever reason, you’re just mad at my “fat” comment no doubt.
I like chatting with people who can think. Not you.


138 posted on 09/19/2007 9:49:15 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: trussell; gcruse; familyop; Jim Robinson
trussell, I agree with you. familyop, gcruse did not direct
 that toward you personally. Good grief!


139 posted on 09/19/2007 9:49:27 PM MDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
But his "WHOLE FAMILY SAW THAT" !!!

140 posted on 09/19/2007 9:51:16 PM MDT by SteveMcKing
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To: SteveMcKing
I’m sorry. Your post made no sense. In other words,
it was hogwash. In other words, it was crap. There was nothing to address.
It reminded me of some nonsense one hears in a sociology 101 class in junior college.
Yeah. I’m mad at the fat comment. LOL.


141 posted on 09/19/2007 9:53:15 PM MDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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[...]

To: EveningStar; gcruse; Jim Robinson
I’m happy to know I’m not alone here in believing gcruse is
innocent of any wrong doing, but it appears our pleas are for naught.


146 posted on 09/19/2007 10:31:00 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: tacticalogic
The Constitution was a sort of social compact, one which
respected the integrity of the several states. I’m afraid
much of that has gone blewy, because so many politicians
think of it as outdated, an obstacle to the establishment
 of a new order of things.

147 posted on 09/19/2007 11:00:46 PM MDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: EveningStar
” Posted by EveningStar to trussell; gcruse; familyop; Jim Robinson
On News/Activism 09/19/2007 8:49:27 PM PDT · 139 of 147

trussell, I agree with you. familyop, gcruse did not direct that
toward you personally. Good grief!”

gcruse wrote, “If you daughter’s a hooker, maybe you should
look closer to home for the reason.”
I’m familyop’s daughter. gcruse directed that towards me.
I don’t want gcruse resubscribed.


148 posted on 09/19/2007 11:34:18 PM MDT by familyop (Writin' code like a'ringin' a bell.)
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[...]


To: familyop
I’m familyop’s daughter. gcruse directed that towards me.
It wasn't directed at anyone. It was a hypothetical situation
 - a hypothetical situation that, I'll remind you, was first mentioned by familyop.

152 posted on 09/20/2007 5:55:03 AM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: familyop; gcruse
Family op, I have been here since 98' and can guarantee
gcruce didn't mean to insult your family.
He was saying that "if someone's daughter was a hooker,
maybe they should look closer to home".
You should have asked him to "explain himself", so you
could be clear about what he was saying before you got him banned.
What a shame you didn't.
sw

153 posted on 09/20/2007 6:02:14 AM MDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: trussell
IMHO, gcruse answered in kind. If he’s guilty of anything
it’s feeding the troll. If it stands, I’d expect to see more of it,
looking for just the right hair to split.


154 posted on 09/20/2007 6:23:30 AM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
130: The false assumptions and accusations from you all
are piling up and starting to resemble an interrogation
about my family's private affairs. I can build sub-networks
in many different configurations with various operating systems and very low costs.
Oh, oakie doakie; you is so smart youse can't figure out
how to set up a new ID for another family member who has to be insulted by remote control:
148: I’m familyop’s daughter. gcruse directed that towards me. I don’t want gcruse resubscribed.

149: Jim, the registration server is not sending logins to
new e-mail addresses. It’s returning, “Sorry, but an error
 occurred,” or something like that.
150: Oops...new registrations to new e-mail addresses, that
 is. Logins are working fine for registered users.
So, bottom line is you don't know the differences between
libertine and libertarian let alone liberal and you take
yourself so seriously in your home-schooled ignorance that
you bring yourself into well deserved public humiliation.
My advice? Apologize for either posting drunk and/or just
plain ugly, mean, nasty and stupid.

155 posted on 09/20/2007 6:28:14 AM MDT by harrowup (Gore will end the Hillbilly-Backpack sideshow by announcing in November 2007)
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[...]

To: trussell
familyop...What you did was gross misrepresentation of
the other poster's comment. I wish you would consider
standing up and asking for the decision against gcruse to be reversed.
We shall have to see whether or not that happens, and
form opinions of familyop's personal character accordingly.

160 posted on 09/20/2007 8:17:03 AM MDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: familyop
gcruse wrote, “If you daughter’s a hooker, maybe you should
look closer to home for the reason.”

I’m familyop’s daughter. gcruse directed that towards me.
I don’t want gcruse resubscribed.
Disclaimer...this post is directed at familyop, not any of familyop's family that may be huddled around the computer screen. If you feel you may find this post offensive...please quit reading now and walk away from the monitor!

The ONLY way anyone should take that personally is if they felt
guilty for it being the truth. You are being childish, immature
and completely unreasonable. You got a long time freeper banned
because your reading comprehension skills lack something.
gcruse was answering your post where you were pondering the
possibility of some semi-naked, crack smoking, gun toting liberal
forcing the nation's precious daughters into prostitution.
He was only saying if the nation's precious daughters
were in the position to be forced into that...it's probably
because the parents should have done something different in the home.

161 posted on 09/20/2007 8:29:27 AM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: steve-b
Keep reading steve. You’ll see that the family of familyop
is completely unremorseful for the unfair banning they caused.


162 posted on 09/20/2007 8:34:26 AM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: familyop
Now you drag your daughter to your keyboard!
There are various words for so-called ‘family men’, few of them postable here, evidently.
Have a great day, and contemplate better men than yourself.


163 posted on 09/20/2007 8:45:55 AM MDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: familyop
Imagine such “freedom,” where your neighbor/supervisor/master is
wearing no pants and has a crack pipe in his mouth while loading
his 50 caliber machine gun and demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him.
Seriously - you post this crap, and then complain when someone responds to YOUR imagery???
Be a man - take responsibility!

164 posted on 09/20/2007 8:51:30 AM MDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: headsonpikes
We don’t even know that for sure. You’ve been here long enough to
have seen people turn out not to be who they claim.


165 posted on 09/20/2007 8:59:02 AM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
True enough - I was just blooded up by the chicken***t style of this exchange.


166 posted on 09/20/2007 9:15:28 AM MDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: headsonpikes
Let ‘em get your goat, and your account may go with it.


167 posted on 09/20/2007 9:34:04 AM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: JTN
Libertarianism is the best political philosophy,
but it requires a sense of personal responsibility
 and an IQ over 100. Stupid people require clear,
simple rules to follow, or they will end up damaging
themselves and others.
The challenge is how to build a society with clear,
simple rules for the stupid without infringing on the
rights of the intelligent. We've been struggling with
one-size-fits-all laws for a while now, and no one is satisfied.

168 posted on 09/20/2007 9:57:00 AM MDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: trussell; familyop
Thank you, trussell.
I was going to compose my own reply to familyop’s
daughter but then I read your excellent reply and
decided not to do so.
I would only add that familyop’s daughter has been
fueled by some immature, dishonest adults on this board.


169 posted on 09/20/2007 10:08:21 AM MDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar; Jim Robinson; gcruse; familyop
Just wish we could get Jim Robinson to realize how
 this was blown out of proportion! gcruse didn’t deserve to be banned.


170 posted on 09/20/2007 10:23:09 AM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist
LOL, good on ya!


171 posted on 09/20/2007 10:29:43 AM MDT by jwalsh07
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To: tacticalogic
You’ve been here long enough to have seen people turn out not to be who they claim.
On the internet nobody knows you're a dog.

172 posted on 09/20/2007 10:38:41 AM MDT by cryptical ("The future is already here; it's just not evenly distributed." - William Gibson)
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To: DesScorp; All
I really wish the Libertarians would go start their own site.
Since this has become a hate-libertarian site I wonder if posting
 this link get my account pulled?

173 posted on 09/20/2007 10:43:08 AM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I agree. Having just noticed this thread, my reading of
gcruse’s statement was that it was generic in nature.
I don’t think he should have been banned. And I’m someone
who is often quite critical of libertarianism,
a philosophy I believe to be flawed, though well-meaning.


174 posted on 09/20/2007 10:53:01 AM MDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations.)
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To: DesScorp
Marxists seek to destroy all centers of authority other than the
state. That’s why they war with tradition, family, and religion.
The problem with libertarianism is that it helps the left destroy
the authority of local government to maintain traditional
standards based on concern for family and so forth, but
it’s powerless to stop the expanding federal leviathan, which
 in fact is enhanced by libertine behavior.


175 posted on 09/20/2007 11:07:09 AM MDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations.)
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To: familyop
Personally I think you should do the Christian thing and give
cruse the benefit of the doubt. I say this as a Christian
conservative who has had his share of disagreements with cruse
 on the issues and as one who thinks that libertarians
adhering to “non initiation of force” as the prime directive
while being OK with the initiation of force on the unborn by Mom is a cruel joke.

176 posted on 09/20/2007 11:13:55 AM MDT by jwalsh07
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To: familyop
I really think you should reconsider your complaint against gcruse.
His comment was clearly generic, not personally directed at your family.
We all need to have thick skins when posting on discussion forums.


177 posted on 09/20/2007 11:20:49 AM MDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations.)
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[...]


To: familyop
The scenario that I presented [below] was an honest reaction to having
read the Libertarian Platform.
Libertarianism is most often dishonestly presented, even
with misleading theses in the Platform.
Imagine such 'freedom,' where your neighbor/supervisor/master
 is wearing no pants and has a crack pipe in his mouth while loading his 50 caliber machine gun and demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him.
You imagine that libertarians are advocating a 'freedom' where
 "- your neighbor/supervisor/master is wearing no pants and has
 a crack pipe in his mouth while loading his 50 caliber machine
 gun and demanding that your daughters work as prostitutes for him -"?

Is it possible you are letting your imagination carry you into hyperbole a bit?

183 posted on 09/20/2007 12:28:29 PM MDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: familyop; EveningStar; Jim Robinson; gcruse
My whole family saw that. Are you going to handle it,
or will we take care of it?(emphasis added)

I'm curious as to how familyop planned on "handling it".
That sounds suspiciously like a threat to me. Why is responding
to a (stupid) hypothetical question grounds for being
banned but threats are completely ignored?

185 posted on 09/20/2007 12:46:45 PM MDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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[...]


To: tpaine; familyop
Be careful with this one, tpaine! If you repeat his
words back to him, his family becomes very upset and
starts making vague threats to “take care of it”.


192 posted on 09/20/2007 1:56:23 PM MDT by JTN (If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.)
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To: steve-b
You have it completely ass backwards. If people were perfect angels,
government could be trusted with power. Since people are corrupt,
government must be limited to the minimum necessary-evil level
of power (i.e. just sufficient to keep the public peace, and no more).
Steve. It's both. If people were angels, we wouldn't need a government.
But we could safely have one because we could trust them to run the government wisely.
OTOH, people being what they are, they make bad decisions that,
collectively, impact the entire society profoundly and its ability
to exist as a society AND they cannot be trusted to act as wise rulers.
That's why it's messy.

193 posted on 09/20/2007 2:25:01 PM MDT by ModelBreaker
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To: MEGoody
For example, I'm sure they never imagined that abortion on
demand would be made legal.
The founders left the governance of moral issues to the
states. So they did address the abortion-on-demand in
terms of how it should be handled.

194 posted on 09/20/2007 2:28:08 PM MDT by ModelBreaker
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To: harrowup; familyop
So, bottom line is you don't know the differences between
libertine and libertarian let alone liberal and you take
yourself so seriously in your home-schooled ignorance that
you bring yourself into well deserved public humiliation.
My advice? Apologize for either posting drunk and/or just
plain ugly, mean, nasty and stupid.
I've perused familyop's posting history and found nothing in
 it that even comes close to the slander heaped against him here:
 *ignorant*? *drunk*? *just plain ugly, mean, nasty and stupid*?
familyop doesn't engage in that kind of posting style towards others.
But what can be said for YOUR comments?
When can we expect you to apologize for them?

195 posted on 09/20/2007 3:00:29 PM MDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: All
What's this?

Quote from comment #2:

"2 posted on 07/23/2003 3:33:20 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.blogspot.com/)"

Links on that blog page:

“Young Girls XXX Porn Pictures”
“Girls [expletive] Eating”

Follow the “View my complete profile” link, and you’ll see
other blogs apparently (according to the person's blog) by
the same person, some with the same kinds of links.

What's going on there? Who is that?

196 posted on 09/20/2007 3:22:21 PM MDT by familyop
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To: metmom
I posted links and questions about a blog in comment #196, just after your last comment. Is that a libertarian site?

197 posted on 09/20/2007 3:27:28 PM MDT by familyop
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To: familyop
Sounds like some sick stuff, I wouldn’t click on that.


198 posted on 09/20/2007 3:31:08 PM MDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: DesScorp
I really wish the Libertarians would go start their own site.
If supporters of socialist, pro-abortion Republicans can post
here then so can Libertarians. Libertarians are pro-limited
gov't, low taxes, and pro-2nd Amendment. Egads, what do you
think make up most of conservatism anyway? Most Libertarians
are also pro-life and aren't the stereotype you make them out to be.

199 posted on 09/20/2007 3:35:14 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: familyop
Is that a libertarian site?
No, it's not. It's just a sick site.
(OMG I said "sick!" Please don't contact the Mods on me)

200 posted on 09/20/2007 3:37:33 PM MDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: darkangel82
"Sounds like some sick stuff, I wouldn’t click on that."

Yes, but it does resemble someone's
wishful thinking about a kid in comment #6:
"If you daughter’s a hooker, maybe you
should look closer to home for the reason."

And why are so many flaming folks in this thread
so emotionally sympathizing with that?

201 posted on 09/20/2007 3:39:23 PM MDT by familyop
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To: familyop
What's going on there? Who is that?
I smell a rat. It appears the page has been
there since 2005, but virtually everthing that's
there was put there in the last 24 hours. Of the few
comments posted, they are all grammatically similar
enough that they look like they were all posted by the same person.

202 posted on 09/20/2007 3:45:48 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
"but virtually everthing that's there was put there in the last 24 hours."

Oh, really. And how would you know that?
BTW, I sent the links to Jim very nearly 24 hours ago.

Whose site is that?

203 posted on 09/20/2007 3:53:10 PM MDT by familyop
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To: familyop
Blogs posts and replies are timestamped.


204 posted on 09/20/2007 3:54:43 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
"Blogs posts and replies are timestamped."

So someone removed that content and reposted it after we
gathered the links and quotes? That's very interesting.

205 posted on 09/20/2007 3:57:03 PM MDT by familyop
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To: trussell
I’m happy to know I’m not alone here in believing gcruse
is innocent of any wrong doing, but it appears our pleas are for naught.

Ditto for me - he was always a reasonable guy.

206 posted on 09/20/2007 3:58:40 PM MDT by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God - Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: familyop
You do realize that blogspots are like any other internet
account...when one person is no longer using it, and choses to
 close it down...after a period of time it becomes available
 to the public again?
Why do you have it out for this guy? Why are you doing
everything you can to ruin him? You are malicious,
and if you are trying to pass yourself off as “Christian”,
you should reevaluate yourself, and work to correct your own shortcomings.
BTW...You are the first one to have “wishful thinking”
over a child forced into prostitution in post 4


207 posted on 09/20/2007 4:11:08 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: familyop
Either that, or nothing there has been updated in about 2 years.
Is there any evidence that this apparently abandoned blog is the
same person you've recently had a difference of opinion with other than the string "gcruse"?

208 posted on 09/20/2007 4:17:01 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
Either that, or nothing there has been updated in about 2 years.
Is there any evidence that this apparently abandoned
blog is the same person you've recently had a
difference of opinion with other than the string "gcruse"?

209 posted on 09/20/2007 4:17:12 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
I've perused familyop's posting history and found
nothing in it that even comes close to the slander
heaped against him here: *ignorant*? *drunk*?
*just plain ugly, mean, nasty and stupid*? familyop doesn't engage in that kind of posting style towards others.

Actually he does (since you brought it up).

He has written a lot of hateful things against Catholics which border on the bizarre.

210 posted on 09/20/2007 4:22:07 PM MDT by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God - Montani Semper Liberi)
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[...]

To: familyop
What's going on there? Who is that?
When you posted this did you see the post by gcruse
in 2003 that he was moving his blog to typemate, where
it has been ever since? Did you note that the blog that
now occupies that url at blogspot was created in 2005?

216 posted on 09/20/2007 4:41:39 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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[...]

To: tacticalogic
You are treading on shaky ground now tacticalogic...
you have shown familyop to be *cough, choke* WRONG.
They (the familyop family) will be out to get you
banned for your daring to post that!


219 posted on 09/20/2007 4:55:29 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: tacticalogic
No, I didn't. Let's see..."typemate." Do you mean typepad?
Is the following what you're referring to?

"http://gcruse.typepad.com/"

Whoah! They look like advertisements for "Goddess within
offering health and beauty products," playground equipment,
toddlers' clothes, and other objects?

That looks pretty weird, too, IMO. Where are you leading us with this?

220 posted on 09/20/2007 4:57:07 PM MDT by familyop
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[...]


To: Hacksaw; familyop
I went back through the last dozen or so pages of his
posting history and found only two posts that were
even related to religion and neither of them even came
close to being hateful of bizarre.


222 posted on 09/20/2007 4:58:04 PM MDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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[...]


To: trussell; familyop
We’ll see how it goes down. From where I’m standing
it appears he’s knowingly posted a link to a blog
containing profanity and links to scat/porn web sites
on the forum for the purpose of trying to link that site to
and smear another member he’s had a disagreement with.
If I’m going to get blasted for saying so, so be it.


225 posted on 09/20/2007 5:03:31 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
Sorry. Yes that's it.
A quick search on Google returns 14,800 hits for "gcruse".
It doesn't take long to figure out there are several people
out there using that moniker. The announcement of the change
of blogs two years before the creation of the one you provided
the link to stands as evidence that the author of that blog and
"gcruse" you've had a disagreement with are probably not the same person.

226 posted on 09/20/2007 5:07:45 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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[...]

To: familyop
I’m also finding it pretty disgusting that besides
sending this to Jim Robinson, you pull it out on a
public forum when gcruse isn’t here to defend himself.


228 posted on 09/20/2007 5:11:48 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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[...]

To: tacticalogic; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; metmom; American Quilter
tacticalogic wrote:
"I’m also finding it pretty disgusting that besides sending
this to Jim Robinson, you pull it out on a public forum
when gcruse isn’t here to defend himself."

You're not disgusted. None of you are. We should all see
what your cowardly, perverted, little rat pack is saying
 about a child and about Jim "on a public forum."

<a href="http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=200518">
<span style="font-weight: bold;">http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=200518</span></a>

And here on the Free Republic discussion board, you're intentions
and type of advocacy are transparent.

230 posted on 09/20/2007 5:26:53 PM MDT by familyop
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To: SauronOfMordor

"It's not immorality that will destroy the family.
The government will. Welfare reduces any need for
women to get married to a stable, hard-working man
 before having children. The current divorce laws
make it easy for women to bail on a marriage
(most divorces are initiated by women)."

The government is certainly doing its part, but in large part
 because those policies encourage vice rather than restrict and punish it.

231 posted on 09/20/2007 5:30:10 PM MDT by DesScorp
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To: tacticalogic; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; metmom; American Quilter

You’ll see that the perversions and insults in this thread were taken to that site.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=200518


232 posted on 09/20/2007 5:30:39 PM MDT by familyop
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To: DesScorp
When you get a chance, click on the link and read the entire
Reagan interview with Reason. I think you might be a little surprised.


233 posted on 09/20/2007 5:32:02 PM MDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: familyop
I don’t post there. How many more lies do you have up your sleeve?


234 posted on 09/20/2007 5:32:24 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DesScorp
Timothy McVeigh was a registered Republican. Ted Bundy worked
on the campaign for a Republican governor of Washington. They
are certainly more nefarious than the people you list as example
of Libertarians. What does that say about the Republican party?


235 posted on 09/20/2007 5:32:53 PM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: familyop
I’ll say it again. You’ve knowiingly posted a link to a blog
containing profanity and links to scat/porn web sites on this
forum for the purpose of trying to link that site to, and smear
another member you’ve had a disagreement with, without any
discernible evidence there is any link between the two.


236 posted on 09/20/2007 5:37:05 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
“You’re not disgusted. None of you are. We should all see
what your cowardly, perverted, little rat pack is saying
about a child and about Jim “on a public forum.”
Yeah, that stuff seems to be par for the course for places
 like LibertyPost and LibertyForum....basically, they sound
 like Kossacks that happen to like guns and money. Otherwise,
 they’d be right at home at Markos’ place.


237 posted on 09/20/2007 5:37:47 PM MDT by DesScorp
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To: familyop
Well familyop, now I'm jealous. You're famous in cyberspace.:-)
In case we ever have a disagreement in the future...just remember, please....

Don't taser me, bro!

238 posted on 09/20/2007 5:39:08 PM MDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: familyop
It appears you are avoiding my questions. You are no Christian...
if you were, you would admit your mistake and set out to fix the
problems you caused. Instead, you just bury yourself deeper and
deeper in your lies and innuendos.
Take care to not let your pride keep you from claiming your
place in heaven. Sure would hate to believe you allowed it to
o one day too long, and missed your chance to right the wrongs
you participated in.


241 posted on 09/20/2007 5:45:18 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: tacticalogic
Did you know that familyop is an avowed prosthetician? Go here!

242 posted on 09/20/2007 5:49:41 PM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: DesScorp
In the Libertarian Party, the inmates run the asylum.
Without using a search engine can you even name who is running the Libertarian Party?

243 posted on 09/20/2007 5:51:23 PM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: familyop
That link is the same as the one you posted before.
Do you have a correct link? I want to see if someone
there said anything about me. Anything...
They can call me a jackass, call me a genius, just
don’t ignore me. Show me some love. Nothing worse
 than being ignored or being invisible. You should
be proud. You’ve made a name for yourself.


244 posted on 09/20/2007 5:53:23 PM MDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: GSWarrior
Can’t wait to find out what all I’m into.


245 posted on 09/20/2007 5:54:30 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GSWarrior
“Without using a search engine can you even name
who is running the Libertarian Party?”
I don’t have to know. I’ve read their party platform.
By their fruits ye shall know them. And their nuts, too...


246 posted on 09/20/2007 5:59:43 PM MDT by DesScorp
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To: tacticalogic; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; metmom
Ah, go back to your darwincentral. It appears that
someone is continuing this thread there, too.

247 posted on 09/20/2007 6:06:05 PM MDT by familyop
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To: familyop
Haven't been there to go back to.
What's the next lie in the queue?

248 posted on 09/20/2007 6:07:15 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
There are a lot of flame sessions against Free Republic at darwincentral.


249 posted on 09/20/2007 6:08:54 PM MDT by familyop
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To: DesScorp
It’s been fun debating, but I think it’s time for me to bow out of this thread.


250 posted on 09/20/2007 6:12:30 PM MDT by GSWarrior
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To: familyop
Maybe so. FR has a site policy of not dragging arguments with another
poster from one thread to another. What makes you think dragging an
argument from another site, with someone that isn’t even
involved is a good thing to do?


251 posted on 09/20/2007 6:14:13 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop
Did you get a taste of blood, and figure if you can make
it look like I’m responsible for those threads on
other sites you can get my account, too?


252 posted on 09/20/2007 6:18:25 PM MDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop; Jim Robinson; Neil E. Wright

You're not disgusted. None of you are. We should all see
what your cowardly, perverted, little rat pack is saying
about a child and about Jim "on a public forum."
I have never, and will never say anything negative about
Jim Robinson! He knows that, and I am insulted that you
would even insinuate that I would do such a thing towards a
man I consider to be a wonderful friend!
Jim and his wife are friends of mine!! I demand an apology!

253 posted on 09/20/2007 6:21:29 PM MDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: familyop
You ever seen a monkey with a razor blade?


254 posted on 09/20/2007 6:22:39 PM MDT by jedward (I'm not sure you meant, what I understand...or maybe you did.)
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To: frogjerk
Why would the majority of people of a certain view who
champion the absolute rights of individuals be for abortion or euthanasia?
That's why the pro-life libertarians are the consistent ones.

255 posted on 09/20/2007 6:26:18 PM MDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Oh, Geesh, not THIS crap AGAIN?!?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
ROOTY!!!


256 posted on 09/20/2007 6:26:44 PM MDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Oh, Geesh, not THIS crap AGAIN?!?)
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Libertarianism vs. the Family - Can civilization survive freedom? ^
Posted by familyop to trussell
On RLC Liberty Caucus ^ 09/20/2007 6:36:35 PM MDT · 257 of 257 ^

"I have never, and will never say anything negative about
Jim Robinson! He knows that, and I am insulted that you
would even insinuate that I would do such a thing towards
 a man I consider to be a wonderful friend!

Jim and his wife are friends of mine!! I demand an apology!"

BS. Apologize for supporting your friends' accusations all
over the Net that a child is a "hooker".


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